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How the War Party Sold the 1991 Bombing of Iraq to US?别看俺识字不多,这个英文我还真看懂了!原来一个15岁的女孩是决定美国出兵制裁的最大功臣了?

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛如果科威特大使馆作假是美国的罪恶,我承认我的阶级斗争警惕性不够高,被邪恶的美国给骗了,我道歉。但您也别把美国出兵制裁伊拉克的功劳全推给一个15岁的女孩啊!靠,How the War Party Sold the 1991 Bombing of Iraq to US,原来居然是一个15岁的女孩?没有这个女孩,萨但定可以逃过一劫? 撒达母的全部不幸,就是因为有了这个该死的15岁女孩了。真是佩服啊。



作者: NOEQ 谁控制巴格达?


“ 一个15岁的科威特女孩声泪俱下、控诉她如何亲眼看到伊拉克军人拔掉早产儿保暖箱的通气管,由是导致数十名科威特婴儿的死亡。该消息“走漏”之后,举世震惊。老布什在不同的演讲里也连续引用该“残酷事件”8次之多。此后…便获得了联合国安理会的军事制裁授权”

看来,一个15岁的女孩是决定美国出兵制裁的最大功臣了? 没有这个女孩,萨但定可以逃过一劫? 撒达母的全部不幸,就是因为有了这个该死的15岁女孩了。

同理,没有了你所说的那个“加州”抄袭事件,美国攻伊拉克的全部“证据” 就没了?

这萨达母政权也是的, 他们的命运怎么每每每都由控制在几个黄毛丫头的手里? 两个小孩控制巴格达?

我看哪,“飞鸟尽,良弓藏,走狗死,狡兔烹”的恐惧,才是中国爱国粉青和腐儒们如此替八格达叫阵的最深层的心理原因。

物以类聚,人以群分。同类死了,触景伤情,也是常理,完全可以理解的嘛。大但面对自己的‘FRUSTRATION”。

至于什么仁义道德,马列主义,国际公理等等的,赫赫,还是别给别人上这些中学政治课罢。 问老共和中国人,你们自己信麽? 你们有这方面的哪怕是10%的信用么?

GIVE ME A BREAK!更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
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  • 枫下茶话 / 美国话题 / 曹长青专栏:美国有什么错?
    • super bullshit.
      • point taken.
        • 嗯。反正我是讨厌曹长青的。
          • seems no one discusses the content, but people. 说人 is easier than 说事.
            • exactly, we are much more interested in MSSG than her posts
            • 是我偷懒了。我要说的是:我讨厌曹长青的文章,这篇更确定了我的结论。
        • 老曹和你的美元加元真不是白拿的.说实话,以与你类似的泛人类博爱主义角度看,俺也衷心的认为,美国必将领导整个地球人共同富裕走向民主自由的乌托邦.
          • 虽然MSSG有时难免哗众取宠,但是俺就是喜欢他/她的狡猾,HOHOHO
      • U or him?
        • #1034512
    • they guys got shi1 xin1 feng1
      • shi1 xin1 feng1 ?
    • 如果他不是这么的恶心,他也不会这么的有名
    • 你胆子蛮大的,敢在这里发这种帖子。
      • 你以为这是在中国?什么言论都得一致口径?!!mssg 就是贴了,你敢怎么的???
    • 老曹在写吴杨系列文章时还是显示出其专业记者的功底的, 可惜, 他逢共必反和添老美PG的做法不咋地.
      • 说事,说事.
        • 光说事不说人,就不会有“狼来了”的故事。
        • 我就是针对这篇文章的, 你不觉得他是在添老美的PG, 而且很陶醉的吗?
          • 讲讲,讲讲。
          • 老美也有不同政治立场的,曹的立场属于美国右派。
          • I believe he said what he believes, not PMP. he has the guts to write it in Chinese, it's not the easiest way to get any benefit from PMP this way.
            • 亲耐的,无耻是不能算勇气的
              • 盲目也是一样的
              • Sometimes they are the same.
            • 你就别往老曹脸上贴金了. 他也就一枪手, 收人钱财, 替人说话而已. 码中国字是他的特长,他要用英文PMP, 比他能拍的多了去了, 老美还不领他这个情呢.
    • 拜托哪位批判一下这篇文章里的论据论点。我想听一听。
      • almost every 论据论点 is untrustble.
        • You know it or you don't like it.
          • I know it and I don't like it.
            • 讲讲,讲讲
              • 不讲 不讲 :) this is a junior high school student assignment. nothing worth to discuss.
      • 一眼就看出那是只烂苹果,就没有必要去一口口咬出虫来.
    • 说事?
      那些个道貌岸然的道理根本不值得去评.

      美国需要一个稳定的美国化中东, 需要消灭对以色列的威胁. 以色列和伊拉克不接壤, 打手无法下手只好主子出山, 打掉伊拉克也让其他的伊斯兰国家放老实点, 不要打以色列的主意.

      美国需要需要把伊拉克的石油合同从德法手里抢走, 把排名第二的油田变成自己的储备. 掌握了石油, 欧日就只能俯首称臣.

      美国的盟友都不支持, 咱们也更犯不着去挺bush, 打伊拉克对中国的有利有弊.
      • 别太当真,MSSG只不过想炒热论坛
    • 赶巧的电视报道-一场美、英的闹剧
      本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛2月5日,德国某电台在黄金时刻报道了鲍威尔在安理会的发言之后,随即插入了一个久为人们忽视、忘却、压制的消息,即一位科威特姑娘在美国国会公听会上哭诉伊拉克占领军在科威特所犯下的非人道罪行。播报员的旁白则是,“3天后揭发该姑娘根本是个在美国长大、多年来没到过科威特的女孩,这是一个罗织罪状的的典型例子。”

      话说1990年秋天,萨达姆为解决与科威特之间的纠纷而征求美国的意见。美国驻伊拉克的女大使格拉斯皮(April Glaspie)却公开表示美政府对该两国间的争执不作任何干预。随后,伊拉克便放心地把军队开进科威特。由于科威特国防力量薄弱、无险可守,占领过程中基本上也没遭遇任何抵抗。待美国大张旗鼓、派兵遣将准备教训伊拉克这个侵略者、并为自己的出兵计划制造“合理性”时,就突然在全球媒体上出现了上述的镜头:一个15岁的科威特女孩声泪俱下、控诉她如何亲眼看到伊拉克军人拔掉早产儿保暖箱的通气管,由是导致数十名科威特婴儿的死亡。该消息“走漏”之后,举世震惊。老布什在不同的演讲里也连续引用该“残酷事件”8次之多。此后…便获得了联合国安理会的军事制裁授权,逼退了伊拉克占领军,退兵协议达成后又全面消灭了科、伊之间高速公路(后称“高速死亡之路”)上正在撤退的万名伊拉克士兵,先后打死30多万伊拉克军民,把部分伊拉克领土划为禁飞区(无安理会授权),对伊拉克进行了可能是有史以来最长的侦查、销毁武器行动…。

      虽然,几天后媒体便发现该“见证人”不过是科威特驻纽约联合国的大使的千斤,同时也揭发该“闹剧”完全是出自受人雇用的美国公关公司(Hill & Knowlton)的手笔,但是事后生人早已炸成死鬼,谁还自讨没趣地追究责任问题?!

      不论如何,看到德国电视台的报道,笔者不由想到,媒体机构对许多事情毕竟是心知肚明,何时抖露或何时压制某条新闻完全是看一时的政治需要。不识时务者,如1999年的南斯拉夫电视台不就连续吃了两次飞弹,炸死了近20名媒体工作人员吗?!

      走笔至此,忆及原本要谈的是鲍威尔先生在安理会上对伊拉克列举的一系列指控,其中,他特地赞扬了英国政府提供的一份“好文件”(fine document),因为该文件“详细描述了伊拉克的一系列蒙骗行为”。不幸,受宠若惊且多事的英国媒体人员顺藤摸瓜地发现,该政府“调查”报告竟然抄袭自一位美国加州学生12年前发表的论文。该论文总共不过19页篇幅,而政府大员们(或者又是某公关公司)却连带所有文法错误“借用”了10页之多。经媒体揭露后,英国首相也不得不在议会里公开承认这个大乌龙。谈及此,不由得地对德国电视台预感佩服三分。其实许多媒体界人士兜里的类似丑闻、闹剧多得不胜枚举,只不过时机不对,发表了也没人相信;或者,万一发表的时机赶巧,造成了“恶劣影响”,必然逃不过吃冷枪的厄运。2003/2/10更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
      • 你的文章不全,我给您补齐了
        本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛“无法捏造的电视现场报道”无法捏造?你也太小看了媒体工作人员吧? -不锈钢不锈

        哪个台?什么时候?有无其它证据?这么大的事,不可能就只有一个电视台报告吧?到该台索取COPY 都可以吧?报纸总会有吧?有关档案应该都在吧?
        到现在还有人言之凿凿的说911 是假的哪,911 才过多长时间?海湾战争又过了多长时间?

        “2月5日,德国某电台在黄金时刻报道了鲍威尔在安理会的发言之后,随即插入了一个久为人们忽视、忘却、压制的消息,即一位科威特姑娘在美国国会公听会上哭诉伊拉克占领军在科威特所犯下的非人道罪行。播报员的旁白则是,“3天后揭发该姑娘根本是个在美国长大、多年来没到过科威特的女孩,这是一个罗织罪状的的典型例子。”
        什么台?除了旁白外还有什么证据?

        ”虽然,几天后媒体便发现该“见证人”不过是科威特驻纽约联合国的大使的千斤,同时也揭发该“闹剧”完全是出自受人雇用的美国公关公司(Hill & Knowlton)的手笔,但是事后生人早已炸成死鬼,谁还自讨没趣地追究责任问题?!“
        哪个媒体?如何揭发?

        ”先后打死30多万伊拉克军民,“????你说的?

        ”受宠若惊且多事的英国媒体人员顺藤摸瓜地发现,该政府“调查”报告竟然抄袭自一位美国加州学生12年前发表的论文“ 哪个媒体?谁的论文?发表在哪?

        这篇文章,通篇不过是道听途说,好意思你还拿出来献丑。我也可给你线索,但不会人云亦云,

        ”先后打死30多万伊拉克军民,“
        这样的事总会有证据的吧?当教授找这点资料应该是小菜吧?更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
        • How PR Sold the War in the Persian Gulf
          • Good. Thank you.
        • Blair Acknowledges Flaws in Iraq Dossier
          • Thank you.
        • 英文看得懂吗?
          本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛坛 www.rolia.net/forum >
          How the War Party Sold the 1991 Bombing of Iraq to US
          by Mitchel Cohen
          December 30, 2002


          "The U.S. has a new credibility. What we say goes."

          - President George Bush,
          NBC Nightly News, Feb. 2, 1991

          In October, 1990, a 15-year-old Kuwaiti girl, identified only as Nayirah, appeared in Washington before the House of Representatives' Human Rights Caucus. She testified that Iraqi soldiers who had invaded Kuwait on August 2nd tore hundreds of babies from hospital incubators and killed them. [ 相约加拿大:枫下论坛 rolia.net/forum ]

          Television flashed her testimony around the world. It electrified opposition to Iraq's president, Saddam Hussein, who was now portrayed by U.S. president George Bush not only as "the Butcher of Baghdad" but – so much for old friends – "a tyrant worse than Hitler."

          Bush quoted Nayirah at every opportunity. Six times in one month he referred to "312 premature babies at Kuwait City's maternity hospital who died after Iraqi soldiers stole their incubators and left the infants on the floor,"(1) and of "babies pulled from incubators and scattered like firewood across the floor." Bush used Nayirah's testimony to lambaste Senate Democrats still supporting "only" sanctions against Iraq – the blockade of trade which alone would cause hundreds of thousands of Iraqis to die of hunger and disease – but who waffled on endorsing the policy Bush wanted to implement: outright bombardment. Republicans and pro-war Democrats used Nayirah's tale to hammer their fellow politicians into line behind Bush's war in the Persian Gulf.(2)

          Nayirah, though, was no impartial eyewitness, a fact carefully concealed by her handlers. She was the daughter of one Saud Nasir Al-Sabah, Kuwait's ambassador to the United States. A few key Congressional leaders and reporters knew who Nayirah was, but none of them thought of sharing that minor detail with Congress, let alone the American people.

          Everything Nayirah said, as it turned out, was a lie. There were, in actuality, only a handful of incubators in all of Kuwait, certainly not the "hundreds" she claimed. According to Dr. Mohammed Matar, director of Kuwait's primary care system, and his wife, Dr. Fayeza Youssef, who ran the obstetrics unit at the maternity hospital, there were few if any babies in the incubators at the time of the Iraqi invasion. Nayirah's charges, they said, were totally false. "I think it was just something for propaganda," Dr. Matar said. In an ABC-TV News account after the war, John Martin reported that although "patients, including premature babies, did die," this occurred "when many of Kuwait's nurses and doctors stopped working or fled the country" – a far cry from Bush's original assertion that hundreds of babies were murdered by Iraqi troops.(3) Subsequent investigations, including one by Amnesty International, found no evidence for the incubator claims.

          It is likely that Nayirah was not even in Kuwait, let alone at the hospital, at that time; the Kuwaiti aristocracy and their families had fled the country weeks before the anticipated invasion. Some defended their country at the gaming tables in Monte Carlo, where at least one member of the ruling family was reported to have gambled away more than $10 million as his fellow rulers called for economic and military assistance from abroad.
          < r o l i a. n e t >
          As invasions go, Iraq's invasion of Kuwait was relatively – I stress the word "relatively" – bloodless. Despite the heart-rending testimonies TV viewers in the U.S. were subjected to night after night, fewer than 200 Kuwaitis were killed. Compare that to such "peaceful" ventures as the U.S. invasion of Panama the year before, which killed an estimated 7,500 Panamanians; or, a year after the Gulf War, the 10,000 Somalis killed by U.S./U.N. troops in what was portrayed as a "peace mission" to bring food aid to the allegedly starving region.(4)

          How did Nayirah first come to the attention of the Congressional Human Rights Caucus, which put her before the world's cameras? It was arranged by Hill & Knowlton, a public relations firm hired to rally the U.S. populace behind Bush's policy of going to war. And it worked!

          Hill & Knowlton's yellow ribbon campaign to whip up support for "our" troops, which followed their orchestration of Nayirah's phony "incubator" testimony, was a public relations masterpiece. The claim that satellite photos revealed that Iraq had troops poised to strike Saudi Arabia was also fabricated by the PR firm. Hill & Knowlton was paid between $12 million (as reported two years later on "60 Minutes") and $20 million (as reported on "20/20") for "services rendered." The group fronting the money? Citizens for a Free Kuwait, a phony "human rights agency" set up and funded entirely by Kuwait's emirocracy to promote its interests in the U.S.

          "When Hill & Knowlton masterminded the Kuwaiti campaign to sell the Gulf War to the American public, the owners of this highly effective propaganda machine were residing in another country" – the United Kingdom – writes Sharon Beder and Richard Gosden in PR Watch. "Should this give pause for thought? Does it demonstrate a certain potential for the future exercise of global political power – the power to manipulate democratic political processes through managing public opinion," which Hill and Knowlton demonstrated 10 years ago?(5)

          All of this is concealed in a new HBO "behind-the-scenes true story" of the Gulf War, which is being released at this crucial political moment. As Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting writes, "HBO's version of history never makes clear that the incubator story was fraudulent, and in fact had been managed by an American PR firm, not Iraq. Curiously, however, the truth seems to have been clear to Robert Wiener, the former CNN producer who co-wrote 'Live from Baghdad.' As he explained to CNN's Wolf Blitzer (11/21/02), 'that story turned out to be false because those accusations were made by the daughter of the Kuwaiti minister of information and were never proven.' Unfortunately, HBO viewers won't know that when they see the film."(6)

          NOTES { 枫下论坛 rolia.net/forum }

          1. Doug Ireland, Village Voice, March 26, 1991.

          2. The use of the Big Lie to manipulate public opinion and neutralize opposition to a particular war was not invented by Bush. See, for instance, James Laxer, "Iraq: US has match, seeks kindle: American leaders have often falsified reasons to attack other countries," (ActionGreens, Mar. 31, 2001). Laxer is a Political Science Professor at York University, Toronto.

          3. ABC World News Tonight, 3/15/91.

          4. In actuality, people in only certain areas of Somalia were starving – those that had been subjected to IMF structural adjustment programs. See, Mitchel Cohen, "Somalia & the Cynical Manipulation of Hunger," Red Balloon Collective, 1994.

          5. Sharon Beder and Richard Gosden, "PR Watch," Volume 8, No. 2, 2nd Quarter 2001. The PR firm has since been working at the behest of the pharmaceutical industry to ban over-the-counter vitamin and nutritional supplement sales in Europe.
          < 相约加拿大 ROLIA.NET >
          6. Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, "HBO Recycling Gulf War Hoax?" December 4, 2002.

          <本文发表于: 相约加拿大:枫下论坛 www.rolia.net/forum >更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
          • How the War Party Sold the 1991 Bombing of Iraq to US?别看俺识字不多,这个英文我还真看懂了!原来一个15岁的女孩是决定美国出兵制裁的最大功臣了?
            本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛如果科威特大使馆作假是美国的罪恶,我承认我的阶级斗争警惕性不够高,被邪恶的美国给骗了,我道歉。但您也别把美国出兵制裁伊拉克的功劳全推给一个15岁的女孩啊!靠,How the War Party Sold the 1991 Bombing of Iraq to US,原来居然是一个15岁的女孩?没有这个女孩,萨但定可以逃过一劫? 撒达母的全部不幸,就是因为有了这个该死的15岁女孩了。真是佩服啊。



            作者: NOEQ 谁控制巴格达?


            “ 一个15岁的科威特女孩声泪俱下、控诉她如何亲眼看到伊拉克军人拔掉早产儿保暖箱的通气管,由是导致数十名科威特婴儿的死亡。该消息“走漏”之后,举世震惊。老布什在不同的演讲里也连续引用该“残酷事件”8次之多。此后…便获得了联合国安理会的军事制裁授权”

            看来,一个15岁的女孩是决定美国出兵制裁的最大功臣了? 没有这个女孩,萨但定可以逃过一劫? 撒达母的全部不幸,就是因为有了这个该死的15岁女孩了。

            同理,没有了你所说的那个“加州”抄袭事件,美国攻伊拉克的全部“证据” 就没了?

            这萨达母政权也是的, 他们的命运怎么每每每都由控制在几个黄毛丫头的手里? 两个小孩控制巴格达?

            我看哪,“飞鸟尽,良弓藏,走狗死,狡兔烹”的恐惧,才是中国爱国粉青和腐儒们如此替八格达叫阵的最深层的心理原因。

            物以类聚,人以群分。同类死了,触景伤情,也是常理,完全可以理解的嘛。大但面对自己的‘FRUSTRATION”。

            至于什么仁义道德,马列主义,国际公理等等的,赫赫,还是别给别人上这些中学政治课罢。 问老共和中国人,你们自己信麽? 你们有这方面的哪怕是10%的信用么?

            GIVE ME A BREAK!更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
            • 你的脑子是不是有问题?
              明明在讨论美国是不是在作假,你却说“原来一个15岁的女孩是决定美国出兵制裁的最大功臣了? ”
              自己为别人想一个论点,自己再一顿批判,你这种弱智真是少见!

              再次告诉你,看清楚自己的论点,看看自己想证明什么,双方讨论的是什么,再把你的论据搬出来!
          • Thank you. This is great stuff.
    • 我觉得以后这种文章少贴为好,虽然炒热了论坛, 但破坏了和谐的气氛。
    • 争也争不出个结果来。
    • This is a very good article. The numbers listed in it are very pursuasive.
      • 曹长青,方舟子,什么的。其实文章是挺有道理的,很多东西我是同意的。但是为什么那么多人不喜欢,就是说话的tone,非常令人反感。一个本来挺有意思point,能让他们说的这么招人烦,也是本事。写这些东西为什么?
        还不是为了说服别人,揭示一些大家平时忽略掉的东西给别人看?为什么不用一种更能够为大多数人接受的语气,语调,陈述一个事实,加了那么多个人情感和偏激的词语,你说的再对也TM没人爱听啊。想TM什么呢。不理解。
        • 世界是个大舞台,需要红脸白脸,需要激情的极右、极左派,需要文火柔情的偏左、偏右派,需要貌似公正的所谓中间派自由人士,才能成一台大戏。
      • 从纯粹逻辑/科学角度看,美国在政治经济科技军事等诸多方面领导全球毫无问题,而且也再无第二个国家有此能力潜力,至于文化,会背唐诗除了说话有酸味还有什么意义?但,人毕竟还有感情~~
    • "美国是全世界最慷慨、最具同情心的国家。" 天大的笑话。
      • 对曹长青来说,不是笑话,可是实话,否则哪里去蒙吃蒙喝呢?
      • 这是事实。
        • 请来看看这个事实 #1034925
      • 应改成: 美国是全世界最慷慨、最具同情心的流氓.
      • 这句话怎么看怎么别扭,感情上接受不了。
      • Really?
    • 驳曹长青的几点理由
      本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛美国人自己承认:国与国之间的援助是要有利益可取的.这也是为什么美国一直干扰联合国一个什么专门帮助第三世界国家的专署的工作.
      美国自己喜欢做世界警察,但又做的不好,请看索马里:本来看上去一切都是好的,都是为拯救那里人民的,但一死了几个兵就撤了,索马里不是至今还在战乱中?不知道曹先生看过BLACK HAWK DOWN没有?开始场景,部族武装枪杀无辜但士兵什么也不能做.至于说到科索沃,按照法德的说法,如果地面部队早点进入,根本不会死那么多人.当年两伊战争中暗中支持伊拉客的是美国,暗中默许伊拉客使用化学武器的也是美国,当时美国目的就一个--借萨达姆之手干掉或牵制伊朗.如果没有美国,他化学武器会那么多?
      美国有很多自己的优点,有很多让其他国家学习的地方.但为什么喜欢强加自己的意志于别人?美国行的,其他国家不一定可行啊?美国的衰败和树立了那么多敌人就是从二战后耀武扬威,强加自己意志开始的.
      至于说到殖民什么的简直是废话,谁会蠢到去TAKE OVER一个国家?因为你TAKE OVER后还得管理....XXXXXXXXX,美国人是聪明.
      最后说到这场战争,美国为了自己的利益要打伊拉客,没有问题啊,可以理解,打就打嘛,可是别说成是为正义啊什么的.为什么?大家都知道美国现在大多数石油来自南美和非洲,中东只有25%.反而是俄国和中国是中东的大户,不用我说下去了吧,说不定美国巴不得伊把油田炸了呢......
      至于说到帮助李承晚....什么的更说明了美国只把自己利益放第一.否则干什么放弃越南啊?拿出二战精神嘛..也象当时的中国,去解放全人类嘛......可是美国呢,不会,他根本只想到自己.

      所以说美国有很多地方值得我们学习,但是美国政府的对外政策从来都是以自己利益最高而不管别人死活的.问问全世界的人,有多少真喜欢美国政府的?
      美国以前有地理优势,二战时别人打不到他.现在不同了,老美一天到晚担心别人用导弹打他,问题是结了那么多仇人,随着技术发展,这好象是迟早的事情.
      这就象做人:你练习了铁布衫,号称帮助百姓,一个不满意到处打人,打了坏人也打了好人,反正什么你认为是对的,对你好的,也不管到底怎么样.后来发现自己老了,别人都不喜欢你,开始担心了,可别人拿刀砍不了你还有枪吧.......更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • “美国这个时期对外政策的大方向是遏阻共产势力在全球的蔓延,保障自由世界不被其奴役”,共产党就不能说是“遏阻资本主义势力在全球的蔓延,保障自由世界不被其奴役”?也只不过拿人钱财,替人销灾;吃人的嘴软之流
    • 大半夜的又看到一个搞笑文章。