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感谢上帝，如果北约接纳俄罗斯，那老中可真的要完蛋了。

hhyang(hhyang)

Suggestions of Russia joining NATO


2002 Rome summit

The idea of Russia becoming a NATO member has at different times been floated by both Western and Russian leaders, as well as some experts. No serious discussions were ever held.[155]

In February 1990, while negotiating German reunification at the end of the Cold War with U.S. Secretary of State James Baker, General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union Mikhail Gorbachev said that "You say that NATO is not directed against us, that it is simply a security structure that is adapting to new realities ... therefore, we propose to join NATO." However, Baker dismissed the possibility as a "dream".[156] During a series of interviews with filmmaker Oliver Stone, President Vladimir Putin told him that he floated the possibility of Russia joining NATO to President Bill Clinton when he visited Moscow in 2000.[157][158]

Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the former Danish Prime Minister who served as NATO Secretary General from 2009 to 2014, said that "Once Russia can show it is upholding democracy and human rights, NATO can seriously consider its membership." According to Rasmussen, in the early days of Putin's presidency around 2000–2001, Putin made many statements that suggested he was favorable to the idea of Russia joining NATO.[158]

Russian leadership made it clear Russia did not plan to join the alliance, preferring to keep cooperation on a lower level.[citation needed] In March 2009, the Russian envoy to NATO, Dmitry Rogozin, while not ruling out NATO membership at some point in the future, stated: "Great powers don't join coalitions, they create coalitions. Russia considers itself a great power."[122]

In early 2010, the suggestion was repeated in an open letter co-written by German defense experts. They posited that Russia was needed in the wake of an emerging multi-polar world in order for NATO to counterbalance emerging Asian powers.[159]

In a 2019 interview with Time Magazine, Sergey Karaganov a close advisor to Putin, considers not allowing Russia to join NATO was the “one of the worst mistakes in political history, It automatically put Russia and the West on a collision course, eventually sacrificing Ukraine”.[160]

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  • 枫下茶话 / 和平之路 / 感谢上帝，如果北约接纳俄罗斯，那老中可真的要完蛋了。 -hhyang(hhyang); 2022-3-8 {8194} (#14430535@0) +2

    Suggestions of Russia joining NATO


    2002 Rome summit

    The idea of Russia becoming a NATO member has at different times been floated by both Western and Russian leaders, as well as some experts. No serious discussions were ever held.[155]

    In February 1990, while negotiating German reunification at the end of the Cold War with U.S. Secretary of State James Baker, General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union Mikhail Gorbachev said that "You say that NATO is not directed against us, that it is simply a security structure that is adapting to new realities ... therefore, we propose to join NATO." However, Baker dismissed the possibility as a "dream".[156] During a series of interviews with filmmaker Oliver Stone, President Vladimir Putin told him that he floated the possibility of Russia joining NATO to President Bill Clinton when he visited Moscow in 2000.[157][158]

    Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the former Danish Prime Minister who served as NATO Secretary General from 2009 to 2014, said that "Once Russia can show it is upholding democracy and human rights, NATO can seriously consider its membership." According to Rasmussen, in the early days of Putin's presidency around 2000–2001, Putin made many statements that suggested he was favorable to the idea of Russia joining NATO.[158]

    Russian leadership made it clear Russia did not plan to join the alliance, preferring to keep cooperation on a lower level.[citation needed] In March 2009, the Russian envoy to NATO, Dmitry Rogozin, while not ruling out NATO membership at some point in the future, stated: "Great powers don't join coalitions, they create coalitions. Russia considers itself a great power."[122]

    In early 2010, the suggestion was repeated in an open letter co-written by German defense experts. They posited that Russia was needed in the wake of an emerging multi-polar world in order for NATO to counterbalance emerging Asian powers.[159]

    In a 2019 interview with Time Magazine, Sergey Karaganov a close advisor to Putin, considers not allowing Russia to join NATO was the “one of the worst mistakes in political history, It automatically put Russia and the West on a collision course, eventually sacrificing Ukraine”.[160]

    • 你看看，俄罗斯想加入北约的话，就得接受人家的彻底改造，介个比劳动改造还让人闹心哦。 -hhyang(hhyang); 2022-3-8 (#14430553@0)
    • 如果北约接纳俄国，北约就完蛋了。你该骂上帝才对 -maplus(马+); 2022-3-8 (#14430573@0) +6
      • 北约本来就该完蛋，拿川普的话说：你们这些欧洲国家各顾各的吧，俺们不想管你们了。 -hhyang(hhyang); 2022-3-8 (#14430588@0)
        • 有了这次战争，你还的多等些年 -maplus(马+); 2022-3-8 (#14430596@0) +4
          • 北约不解散，欧盟就不算独立自主，这次战争会加速北约走向解散。俺先把话撂这儿，过几年你再看。 -hhyang(hhyang); 2022-3-9 (#14430732@0)
    • 如果俄罗斯真的加入北约，那北约就完了。俄罗斯不可能改变其本性的，迟早要对乌克兰动手。到时候都是北约成员，其他国家真的就没有办法了。俄罗斯对乌动手，主要是因为俄还有超级大国梦，现实支撑不起这样的梦。 -minbin(光辉岁月- 铁器时代); 2022-3-9 (#14430607@0)
    • 所以说邓小平玩命帮美国对抗俄罗斯，是不是用力过猛了？差点把自己玩死。 -kanxi(watcher); 2022-3-9 (#14430634@0) +1
      • 不过猛就拿不到赏饭 -big-foot-is-a-joke(big-foot-is-a-joke); 2022-3-9 (#14430650@0) +2
      • 富贵险要中求。 -hhyang(hhyang); 2022-3-9 (#14430737@0)
        • 可不，他在走钢丝，还把自己的儿子送到美国当质子。 -kanxi(watcher); 2022-3-9 (#14430757@0)
    • 俄罗斯加入北约的前提是北约邀请，俄罗斯至少和美帝平起平坐。俄罗斯没有像普通成员一样申请加入北约的想法。所以北约接纳俄罗斯就是个伪命题。 -l4dream(梦非梦); 2022-3-9 (#14430703@0)
      • 私底下想接纳也不算？意愿上倾向接纳也不算？当然啦，这些都没有过。俄罗斯有加入北约的想法儿，试探之后明知不行，谁还会费那功夫去申请呢？ -hhyang(hhyang); 2022-3-9 (#14430760@0)
        • 我说的是英国前防长（？）的采访报道。俄罗斯想要的北约给不了，北约给的俄罗斯不可能接受，成不了一家。 -l4dream(梦非梦); 2022-3-9 (#14431033@0)
          • 感谢上帝。 -hhyang(hhyang); 2022-3-9 (#14431115@0)

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