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比王小虎和高鱼还能吹, 几乎更妮妮一样能吹了,

偶也来一段吧,

Mortgage: $0.00, 偶家一百平米的连体别墅一次付清...
Property Tax: $5800.00/YEAR, 水深火热啊
Management Fee: $0.00 偶的国人老婆免费管理和修理偶
Car loan: $0.00, 勒紧裤带, 咬咬牙, 两辆凌志一把付清, 就是要把王小虎的气焰打下去, 不干挨踢也能进入主流...
Car insurance and home insurance: $4000.00, 偶收过多少SPEEDING TICKET都记不清了, 最近一张在去高鱼家的路上被人民干警穷追7公里拿下...
Gas: $500.00, 3500CC的引擎乘以2, 你说吧...
NATRUAL GAS: $300/MTH, 死猪要用开水烫, 很多开水烫
Rogers Bill: $500.00 手机公司很喜欢偶家...
Life Insurance: $0, 谁有钱弄这个呀...
不知去向的胡花: $500

Basic and Fixed expenses: $不敢算


税后收入我每个月大约$800.00, 。
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  • 枫下家园 / 住房话题 / 大家来看看我们是不是太超前消费了?
    本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛先让大家看看我们家的每月支出(三口之家,SEMI-DETACHED 9年新房子)吧:
    1. 房贷: 1200
    2. 车贷: 450
    3. 车保: 300(两辆车,一全保,一三保)
    4. 地税: 280
    5. 水电气: 300(夏天用不了这么多,我算平均的,全年下来应该比这个数少一点)
    6. GAS: 240
    6. 电视电话网络: 110
    7. 人保: 42
    8. 手机: 35
    9. BABYSITTER: 200
    10. 吃和杂用: 600
    11. 喝茶或其它食用:150
    总计:3907
    以上这些是每个月的基本支出,实际上往往超出这个数(有银行帐单为证,每月的支出为4500以上不等),因为总会有些不常有,但不得不消费的,如外出游玩,考车牌呀,买车牌的STICKER呀,车的维护和保养呀,朋友生小孩呀过生日呀什么什么的。。。。
    好了,现在再来看看我们家的收入:
    先说LP的吧,LP的工作很稳定,但是LP的收入比较少,也比较固定,为了照顾孩子和家,LP不得不委屈自己选了个PART TIME 的工作,每月税后收入至少为1400,有时会多个三五百什么的,就算年税后收入为20000吧。
    再说LG的吧,LG的工作还算是稳定,但是收入及其不固定,有时每两周税后拿2000,有时才拿1200,但是每月税后还没有下过2500,就算年税后收入为33000吧。
    我们的BASEMENT 出租给了朋友的朋友,单身,只是晚上睡觉才回来,平时很少白天看到她,所以才收她每月租金500,这样一来一年也有个6000吧。
    孩子的牛奶金已经很少了,还有每月入帐的100元我就不算了,因为这些都给他用在他的什么兴趣班上了。
    所以我们的年入为:20000+33000+6000=59000。
    这样算下来,我们家一年的节余最多是5000元,其实每年应该没有这么多的节余吧,因为我们每年年底是都还要给双方的父母汇点钱回去表表心意。
    这样的状况已经维持了快两年了,我们帐户上的钱也没看见多多少,但是也没有少,所以有时我们觉得很有压力,有时又觉得前途一片光明,总觉得工资的增长空间还很大,车贷还有三年就还清了,我们还年轻,孩子还小,还不用存很多的钱,够用就行了。。。。。。更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • 你们家水电和GAS费用也太高了吧,每月540,应该可以节省一半吧?
      • gas这里指的是两辆车的汽油钱,我认为。
        • 对不起,我搞错了,这样的消费,我觉得还蛮正常的。
      • 我们的情况
        1. 房租: 900
        3. 车保: 90(三保)
        4. 车位: 40
        5. 水电: 40(夏天用不了这么多,我算平均的,全年下来应该比这个数少一点)
        6. 汽油: 140
        6. 电话网络: 110
        9. BABYSITTER: 300
        10. 吃和杂用: 600

        总计:2220 足够了,我们要求不高,不能跟有些高收入人士比
    • 该说的话你都说啦,我就不说啥了.
    • 普通人,普通日子。就是吃喝上少了点,注意身体。
    • 我觉得蛮正常的啊, 再木法省了, 不过你家的出租挺合算的, 地下室居然都500,我觉得很赚
      • 是呀,说是BASEMENT,其实是一楼啦,分门出入,什么都有,有朋友说500太便宜了!
        • 哦, 那有点便宜, 不过真的很赚呀。 这个房子买的真值得
          • 不是吧,也要看地点,我们住的那片,也不算太好Finch/Victoria,semi地下室一层都要700左右呢,好点的都是750的价格。不过住了快一年,我们要换个楼上的了
        • .
    • 这个只有景仰的份。。。这种收入/消费比每年还能存到coco,,Orz一下。。。
    • 我认为不算超前消费。化的都是必需的。水电气是不是包括gas了?否则540 是太高了。
    • 正常消费,没法再省了。。。只能开源了。。。
      • 地税: 280 ~~ 如果把房子拿几根柱子撑起来,不接触地,还要交这个么?
    • reasonable.
    • I think one thing you can do is to get more income. For example, get the LG to find a part-time job.
    • No RRSP? May be you should think about it after the car loan is paid off
    • 谢谢各位回帖!
      1。我说的收入是到手的税后收入,自我感觉这样的收入还可以啦。
      2。第六项的GAS为两辆车用的
      3。RRSP当然有买啦,LG的公司有个政策:你买多少,他们补贴多少,因为这些钱不在我的银行支票帐号上过,所以我不算我们的收入。
      • You might get at least $3000+ as tax return.
        • 能有些TAX RETURN,今年的退税全家去了趟NEW YORK 就没了。
    • 嗯,很典型,有一定的参考价值。没有养老保险支出?
      • RESP?$2000/yr
        • 忿特
    • 中高层次的生活了. 这里的制度不会让你象在中国一年存下十几万的.
    • babysitter 才200$, 你小孩大概很大了吧。
      • 小孩4岁不到,因为LP是PART TIME ,很多的时间在家,只是偶尔要BABYSITTER看一下孩子。
    • 不错。先花着。等房贷付掉一部分会轻松一点。车贷不要指望。等这个车贷付清了,三宝的那个又该换了。主要出路还是多挣钱。
    • 没看见给孩子买教育基金的支出。没买?
    • 很正常。感觉“吃和杂用: 600加喝茶或其它食用:150”共750还少了点;房的维护和保养费用以后也会有的。
    • 要是等人夸呢就算了,没听说rolia上年薪十几万的都不好意思上来XB么;要不是呢,自己觉得好就好
      • ?
      • (还税后)
      • Kick this guy OUT!
      • 哪敢来这里XB呀,只不过LP的同事(来加20余年的博士后)每每知道我们家又买车或又去哪玩什么的就老说:年轻人的胆子就是大,太超前了!我买房子的时候才敢贷2万,还一年之内就还了。
    • If after tax LZ's family makes 59000. This is a very good income.
    • 如果在加拿大收入稳定持续发展,这样的日子还可以,但是绝对不富裕。假设哪一天失业或收入减少,日子可就不好过了。不是我吓唬你,失业在加拿大是家常便饭。
      • 谢谢您的提醒!LG和LP所在的行业都是越老越吃香的,除非加拿大人都不吃不喝不消费了,要不失业后两三个月内肯定能找到新的工作。
        • The tuth is, compare with some othe countries, 加拿大人都不吃不喝不消费.
    • Wow...看了看7,8,9的流水账: 支出分别是: 4070 / 4242 / 4444。10月已经用了4044了。
      • very normal. my expense is more than yours and every month is very tight
    • 再算上RRSP, RESP, 家家户户都差不多,没法再省了,再多挣钱也都交税了.
    • Look at my family spending
      本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Mortgage 3,000 (double payments)
      Property tax 320
      Insurance 65
      Utilities (gas, hydro, water) 250
      Telephone, cable (basic + 城市电视)
      & High-Speed light (not including
      cell phone, LG uses company cell,
      LP's cell $100 per year, pay as you go) 110
      ------------
      Total house expense 3,745

      Car insurance 235
      Car gas 250
      Car loan (starts Sep/06) 603
      -----------
      Total car expense (2 cars) 1,088

      Grocery and other 1,200

      Child care 1,200
      RRSP ( ~ 28,000 a year) 2,350
      RESP (3 kids) (8,000 a year) 670
      Support to family in China (2000 - 3000 per year) 200
      -----------
      Total monthly expenses 10,453
      ======

      We have been in the position for the past 4-5 years. Current mortgage balance $172,000.

      The money doesn't stop here:
      New grass in back yard this summer $1,200
      New tankless water heater this summer 2,550
      New mower this summer 500

      More to come:
      4 teeth implants at the beginning of 2007
      (not covered by dental insurance) $12,000

      Our friends never believe we haven't paid off our mortgage. They all believe we should have paid off 2 house morgages. Here is our real bottom line.

      We are hoping we'll be rich when our kids are grown up.

      Believe it or not, share another information with you: one of my client gave me a listing of 2005 medical expense for about $35,000. When I confirmed with her whose expense is that, it turned out to be her 15 years old dog (about 105 years old if it were a human), who died (安乐死) in 2005. Since the dog is not a family member for income tax purpose, no tax credits can be claimed for that $35,000 medical expense.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
      • that's the life. Mortage should be 15~30% of the net income(expense).
      • 挖,这才是有钱人呢
      • 挖,这才是有钱人呢 -fanren2006(烦); 这水平需要睡前20万收入顶着吧?
        • Taxable income = RRSP Contribution / 0.18 = $28000 / 0.18 >= $155555
          • That doesn't make sense to me. It is mission impossible to have $10,000 after tax income per month from annual income of $150,000
            • Why? 27% (=35000/127555) is a reasonable ratio. Even "年薪120K,税后能有100K" is possible, as -jijiyy(jjyy) mentioned.
          • Their total income could be well above 150k because RRSP maximum is 18000 (or 18% if it is less).
            Even if your annual income is above 100K, you can only contribute 18000. so it is possible one of them make well above 100k and reach the RRSP limit 18000, and one contribute another 10000. Thus
        • 似乎不必
      • 不过该换房了吧,property tax 320不是什么好房啊。
        • Already upgraded. I am happy to pay less tax.
          My first house was brandnew, lot 32x110, purchased $236,000, 1st year property tax ~$3300, 4th year $4550. This house >50 years old, lot 65x170, purchased $390,000, 1st year property tax $3550. This is 3rd year.
      • Go to Organic stores for grocery and restraunts you will find your money never enough. Should be around $2000/month for two people.
      • 不算多吧,6000多块是投资性质, 实际每月消费3000多块, 可能是平均水平吧.
        • Exactly. Often we misplace investment as expense.
          • 家庭收入还是满高的, 两个人有16-18万,不错啦.
      • I truely believe everything you told us here, I just can't believe someone could survive in GTA with only $200 spent on Grocery. Two of us spend normally 1200 to 1500 per month on Grocery alone.
        • come on, who said 200? take a look again.
          • Sorry, you misunderstood me. I didn't comment on LZ regarding this. Because before I came here, lots of posts on the website claimed that $200 a month is enough for food.
      • How can you save on utilities (gas, hydro, water)? it is only 250.
        • Maybe it is due to programmable thermostat and no dryer
          本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛There is no dryer when we bought this house and we find we can live without it. We have a big back yard and have a facility for hanging clothes in summer. We also have a huge laundry room in basement for hanging clothes in winter. Normally one day is enough to dry the clothes both in summer and winter, even less.

          We are expecting lower hydro bill from now on by $30/month. We used to use electronic water tank with no meter, flat rate approximately $45/month. We changed to gas tankless water heater this summer and gas usage is $15/month in August & September.

          Use programmable thermostat may also help. We set room temperature at 21C if we are at home, 17C if we are away, and 19C when we are asleep. During summer we do the same thing, usually set temperature high enough to turn off air conditioning when we are not at home so it only works when we are at home, normally set at 26C.

          The energy usage can be very different depending on the house size & style. Our first house was brandnew detached, two-story, 2400 sq ft , 3200 sq ft if including basement. Heating in winter average $150 from Nov to Apr. Our current house was built in 50s, bungalow, ~2000 sq ft including basement. Heating in winter only average $100 from Nov to Apr. I heard from renovation worker that houses built in 50s have much thicker walls than newer houses, such have better insulation.

          Want more energy saving tips? Toronto Hydro, Enbridge, and City of Toronto websites are good resources. Also make sure take a look at flyers enclosed in your bills.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
          • thanks.
    • Very normal. babysitting fee only $200?
    • 另外一个三口之家
      我们也是一家三口:
      1. 房贷: 1500
      2. 车贷: 0
      3. 车保+房保: 310(两辆车,一全保,一三保)
      4. 地税: 360
      5. 水电气: 300(夏天用不了这么多,我算平均的,全年下来应该比这个数少一点)
      6. GAS: 240
      6. 电视电话网络: 65
      7. 人保: 0
      8. 手机: 25
      9. BABYSITTER:(daycare) 1000
      10. 吃和杂用: 1200
      11. 喝茶或其它食用:150

      总计:5150

      不过我们收入高一些,两个人税前$120K,税后有近$100K,每个月平均$8K多,剩下的还房款和买满RRSP.
      • 怎么internet和电视电话这么便宜,告诉我怎么配置的?
        • bell landline $32 after tax, dsl www.teksavvy.com $32 after tax. TV is HDTV with antenna, and FTA $0 after tax;-)
          • 你是说你看电视用天线,所以不用付cable的钱,效果好吗?频道多吗?你家孩子能看到儿童频道吗?
            • 本地台和美国的公众台都能受,高清淅的,我家比较靠北(Aurora),靠南会更好些,PBS有很多小孩节目。
              • I am doubting you can watch YTV and Tree House. But anyway, It is a small money maybe you don't have to save this money.
                • Then you want to watch Tree house? get FTA
                  Then you want to watch Tree house? get FTA, you can watch everything. I just don't want to pay Bell and cable company, they just charge too much, not really for saving, BTW, I don't watch TV a lot. I also want to cancel my Bell landline, it's a project I am working on.
                  • 什么是FTA?
                    • Free to Air, it is not free for canadian channels.
                      • 要用black box看吗?
                      • http://www.cetv.ca
                        • excellent, thanks.
      • before tax 120K after tax 100K, this is something nice. Even for business cost, you still have to spent money somewhare to decrease income part. Any chance for sharing how do you save tax $?
        • I pay more than $10K for the kid each year, will deduct the income, then buy full amount of RRSP, also my wife has education deductable. that's it.
          • 请教一下: 还有什么decrease taxiable income的合法的办法么?
            RRSP/DAYCARE/ED DEDUCABLE 跟你家一样. 打开去年的RETURN, 发现到不了那
            么多after tax income: 10W (不包括CPP/EI)
      • 早就听说ROLIA上都是年薪十几万的能人了,很佩服呀。我们只有仰慕的份!能不能分享一下年薪120K,税后能有100K的经验呀?谢谢!!!
        LG今年的税前收入已经60K出头,但是税后没有过45K呀。
        • 两个人工作上税会少一点,另外老婆有在职学习可以抵税,还有和你不同的是我买齐了RRSP。所以100K里有一部份是RRSP,不能用的。
          • 谢谢!
        • 现金!全部压床垫底下,不交税。就有了。
          • 打工族,最标准的移民,LG电脑,LB会计,没机会收现金
        • $145,000 before tax,and after tax 100,000
    • 和他家比较一下,我们相差不多。除了供房,养车,吃饭,大家还花钱在什么超前的地方啊?(我说的是一般人)。还有大家觉得我应该再买辆车吗?
      说说我家的情况:
      一家三口. 我月收入,税后3950, LP2950. (多一元没有,少一元不会,每年估计增加7%)

      1. 车保: 102(一旧车)
      2. 房保: 50
      2. 地税: 270
      5. 水电气: 200
      6. 汽油: 120
      6. 电视电话网络: 90
      8. 手机: 23
      10. 吃和杂用: 1600
      pension, insurance都已经扣过了,RRSP 很少,暂不计算。

      剩下的钱都拿去还房子的贷款了,不还债心理总是不安。还有,大家说我应该再买量车吗?现在的车能用,没什么大毛病。如果买车的话,是不是应该把这个旧车留下? 车较大, 买菜买家具加电都特好用. 这么好的旧车. 也不知道为什么老婆大人天天就想着新车. 我坐TTC上班.
      • 等你还完贷款都老么卡吃眼了。先给老婆买辆新车开着!你给她买个宝马3吧。
        • 什么是“老么卡吃眼“?
          • 就是说老了以后,眼袋会比较大一些。
      • 肯定买辆好的新车了。
        • 买个新车,连本带利保险汽油和维护,一个月得要1000多吧?一年就开一万多公里. 想想就心疼.虽说钱是拿来用的,可旧车也能开啊. 硬着头皮买一辆?
          • 榆木脑袋。你就知道心疼钱。这钱是用来讨好老婆的董吗。这叫感情投资
            • 她要真的意志坚定要买新车,我就豁出去了,感情投资嘛。问题是她天天想着,真要下手了,她可能也舍不得,然后推到我身上,说是我要买的。开旧车我也觉得没面子,可这小小的面子就要1000多一个月呢。
              • 着你还不懂? 女人天生就是意志不坚决的.犹豫不决就是想买了.
          • 跟面子无关。安全、舒适、可靠还省心最重要。
    • 你们每月都吃些什么呀?动不动就1200,1600的,
      LP每月去两次COSTCO,每次100左右,主要买些肉类和奶制品、水果等,每周去一次家附近的西人超市,每次40-60不等,偶尔会去华人超市买些只有华人超市才有的东西,100左右,
      杂用嘛,每月的餐巾纸、卫生间用纸、洗衣液、沐浴露、牙膏牙刷、护肤用品等能用多少钱?
      • 杂用很多,基本上所有信用卡的帐都是杂用。搞不清楚,每个月都有。
      • 我们刚来时也是每个星期买菜4-50,现在去一次超市肯定100以上,像有位楼上说的吃的不能亏待自己。鸡鸭鱼肉想吃什么买什么。
      • 刚移民时两个人吃喝杂用不过$400左右,还经常在外面吃,现在添俩儿孩子,没送daycare,也没乱买东西,每月信用卡帐单都在一千以上,再加上中国超市的一些菜,是在$1500左右(不算房子和汽车费用),可能在不知不觉中,生活质量在提高,
        比如,去中国超市主要买山药,蒜苔,冬瓜,粉条,酱菜等西人超市不常见或没有的东西,主要原因是带两个小孩子不愿意在人多的中国超市里挤. 还有孩子们baby时穿的都是朋友给的旧衣服,很少买玩具,现在经常买些漂亮衣服和玩具给他们,学习机和书每月都要消费几十元,再时不时添些家用小装饰,花草等,一个月工资几乎用光,反正我们不想急着还房贷,只要利率不大变,20年慢慢还完挺好.
      • Detail for 2 of us(just for Grocery and food):
        T&T per week, average 90, = $360
        Costco per week, 120 + 80+120 +80, = $400
        Live seafood on most of the weekends(simple cooking, but delicious) 40 - 60, = $200
        Dine out at least once a week 40 to 80 if no one join us, = $80
        We both buy lunch if go to office, 8+6 per day, = $70

        It's already more than $1100, but it's hard to follow the plan all the time. During holiday season(Christmas and long weekends), we mostly dine out with friends. Then the number is shooting up
    • 两口之家--感觉在加拿大是越陷越深了。
      本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Mortgage: $750.00
      Property Tax: $135.00
      Management Fee: $423.00 (electricity, gas and all utilities included)
      Car loan: $1087.00 (1 financing, 1 leasing)
      Car insurance and home insurance: $320.00
      Gas: around $300.00
      Rogers Bill: $200.00 (includes Digital TV, HI-Speed internet, and 2 cell phones)
      Bell Telephone Bill: $56.50 (all features: call waiting, call forward, voice mail...)
      Long Distance phone bill: around $25.00 (to China and USA)
      Life Insurance: $40.00 (for 2)
      Grocery: around $300.00
      Eat out: around $350.00

      Basic and Fixed expenses: $3946.50
      其实每个月都会超支,比如说out of town去玩了,听听演唱会看看show了,买DVD了,看电影了,俱乐部会员费了。但是如果没有什么超大的意外支出,应该不会超过$5000.00一个月。

      税后收入我每个月大约$8000.00, 老公大约$5000.00. 我们手头也有些mutual funds,bond什么的。

      这样的收支已经持续两年多了。每次算完数,我们都觉得在加拿大是越陷越深了。要想节流吧,哪个支出好像也砍不掉。每次都给自己找借口:反正省下的小钱又不能足以富贵,不省也罢。有一回跟老公定了个协议,谁提出去外面吃饭,另一个人一定要坚持say no。但是执行起来的结果通通变成一人提议,另一人马上说好啊好啊,去哪家?好在明年我们的车就可以赎身了,到时就可以省点了。

      也许过两年我们有了孩子,消费观就会不一样。更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
      • Wow!!! 税后收入我每个月大约$8000.00!!!!!!
      • 这才叫移民中的精英。一人收入就抵我全家,中产也没几个有这样的收入,是中产的上层。
      • 你们这么年轻还没小孩,收入已经这么高,看来我真是老了,赶不上时代了。
        • 也是30出头的人了,不算年轻,只是还拒绝成长,没有要孩子而已。
      • 挖,这才是有钱人呢! 这水平需要睡前25万收入顶着!
      • Car loan: $1087.00 .......you guys drive BMW?
        • no, one is Murano SUV, one is Mazda 3 sport car.
          • New ID again - signed up 2006.07.26 00:13: Two new cars plus home insurance: $320/m. Murano SUV and Mazda 3 sport car. You couple must be super Sr. then.
            • Yes it's a very good deal that's why we transfered our insurance to this company: State Farm. Multi-vehicles plan. Both of us have G driver's licence. 5+ years clean driving history.
              When we were with Monex, the rate was $498.00
              • Super.
            • also, 是啊,我是今年听朋友说了才开始在rolia灌水的呀。以前都不知道有这么好玩的地方。有什么不妥?
              • Perfectly fine. Your posting seems lacking of logic as well as basic knowledge on lots of things.
        • 嘿嘿,Murano比宝马也便宜不了多少。
          • Murano比宝马可差不少吧.
            • depends on what model...
      • 这样的收入,需要什么样的脑袋?从小是怎么培养的?取取经,看看在第二代有没有希望?
        • 严重怀疑, 地说才153刀, 可能房子还没有一个人的年收入高,不正常.
          • condo
            • 以这个收入, condo还需猫给字, 还是不正常.
              • Good question!
                • 实际上,高收入的华人移民很多,他们一般不在网上露富罢了,而且没孩子的一般都买condo,等家里人口多了再买house, 现condo是不卖的,
                  而且他们并不急着还房贷,而是用现钱去投资,我知道好几个家庭都是这样的,有的去投资商业铺面,有的买市中心的condo,尤其是八年十年前来的那一批,多是在讨论孩子上哪个私校好的问题.
                  • downtown的一些好condo比如college park,Bay街上的等等可住的多是有钱的单身和夫妻呀,他们有时会和邻居讨论谁家请的小时工好,西人家政小时工$15/小时上下.
              • 存款拿去投资,工作忙没时间打理房子,都能解释住CONDO和慢慢付MORTGAGE啊。
                • 仅算LZ这两年存下的cash就有20万了,不先还清房贷、车贷,拿去做投资?这样的胆识还想着怎么在剩下的5000里节省?如果这也算正常,那正常的范围也太宽了。
            • 这么有钱,住这么便宜的condo?
          • 本来呢,你爱怀疑也由得你,反正每个人都有自己的生活方式,况且网上的意气也影响不了现实生活。我周围有不少“藏龙卧虎”的朋友,不张扬,不显山露水的有钱。因此,我们夫妇从来不觉得自己有多么了不起
            既然不小心“张扬”了一把,那就张扬得清楚点吧:

            1,关于condo。是,我们是住condo,贪其舒服方便。house呢,我们一来没有时间打理,二来怕寂寞冷清,所以当时没有考虑。过两年有了baby,还是要再买一套house的。

            2,关于mortgage and car loan。老实说,我们倒从来没有把这些当作是一个沉重的负担,所以没有很eager去还清的心理。其次,我近年来手头有些项目不时需要大笔的现金周转,所以钱在自己手上比在房子上好些--就我而言。

            3,关于cash。我们倒没有两年存下20万的本事。我们都是手头散漫,不太care理财的人。所以家里的当眼处放的是:“人生得意需尽欢,千金散尽还复来”。况且我们又都有点小爱好,比如说我老公爱玩HI-FI,有时一条3米多的线材就要$600+,一张发烧碟要$45.00;我去看一次“维纳斯的诞生”真迹就要$8000+, 诸如此类。

            4,关于节省。理智上我们都知道花无百日红和开源节流的道理,所以无聊时就拿这个话题出来检讨自己一番。但是讨论的结果是我们都不想改变目前的life style,所以没法再省了,还是努力开源吧。这里面也有点夫妻耍花腔的意思,不知道楼上一位朋友怎么会理解成我们老想着怎样节省来着。
            • 我相信。象你们夫妇这样生活的朋友我也认识几个。加拿大的奋斗目标啊:)
              • 努力工作,享受生活。^_^
            • yes. good job to write this down.
            • 你的Lifestyle也就是中下层劳动人民水平,实在没地方可以省了,不要太苛待自己了.
              • 是啊,本来我们过的就是普通的生活啊。没有high scale也没有苛待自己,您费心。^_~
            • 既然您并不想节省,不知道跟贴到这里来做什么?如果您一开始就这样说,那就容易理解了。
        • 必须从名校区的神童班开始培养。
          • KAO,第二代看来是没希望了.
      • woooo,你每个月还可以存8000大洋,My god!:) 真是t天哪!:)
        • 一年近千万人们的币,真是富可敌国啊。
          • 你怎么算出来千万拉?
            • 8000*12*7= 6720,000 加上股票分洪,年底奖金等等,近千万不算夸张吧。
              • 8000*12*7= 6720,000 等式两边不等.左边小于右边十倍.
                • 谢谢校正:)我刚刚足足想了20分钟在忏悔自己怎么这么简单的算术都没算对,原来我没错:)自信心恢复了:)
              • 哈哈,如果我也能地上捡一个“0”就加在我的收入后面,世界多美好!
          • 吓死我。还以为自己平白无故不见了N百万一年呢。
            • 心理素质不过硬.我有一亿,别人说我有十亿.我不会认为我丢了九亿.
              • 是,说得对。嗯,争取做个年挣十亿,处便不惊的大富豪。
      • wow, MM 做什么工作,工资那么高? 你老公一定压力很大呀.
        • 她是个儿business woman.
        • 在下一小生意人耳。我LG倒是怕我压力大,整天说“take it easy, 万事有我撑着。”
        • 这算不了什么,就是开街角小店,一个月也能净剩个五千到八千
          • 嗯,有道理。不过我还是喜欢我现在做的B2B的生意--不是在街角,是warehouse and office在一个commercial park里。又让你失望了,真不好意思。coffe break 要结束了,还想知道什么,我晚点假如有时间回答你。
            • 命里无时莫强求
              • 命里有时终需有。我很少强求什么东西,一直的态度都是“尽人事,听天命”。
            • 很喜欢你说话的态度,赞一个
            • B2B 听起来挺唬人的.刚好看到窗外吊在半空中清洁玻璃的和修理草坪的,也算是B2B一类的吧,听说收入很不错的.
              • 嗯,你有潜力。老实讲,如果能拿下一些regular good customers的剪草和擦高层玻璃业务,的确不错。生意机会处处有,不过隔行如隔山,我不熟这类业务。啊呀,真的要干活,不能再灌水了。一到礼拜五人就是容易懒。
      • Good, good, we are still renting a condo, no properties at all. :~D.
      • Let me count count
        Expense:
        Rental+parking: 930
        Car + insurance: 1120
        gas: 150
        Cell/Internet Cable (No TV): 140
        Food at home: 450
        Chinese food occasionally: 300
        Shopping (clothes, small applicant, etc): 250
        Entertainment (Movie, expensive gift, etc): 120
        Hobbies (Fishing, sporty, beauty, etc): 500
        Travel: 9000/12 = 750

        Total < 5000

        Actually it is very difficult to spend money in Canada for there is few activities to do .... :)
      • 比王小虎和高鱼还能吹, 几乎更妮妮一样能吹了,
        偶也来一段吧,

        Mortgage: $0.00, 偶家一百平米的连体别墅一次付清...
        Property Tax: $5800.00/YEAR, 水深火热啊
        Management Fee: $0.00 偶的国人老婆免费管理和修理偶
        Car loan: $0.00, 勒紧裤带, 咬咬牙, 两辆凌志一把付清, 就是要把王小虎的气焰打下去, 不干挨踢也能进入主流...
        Car insurance and home insurance: $4000.00, 偶收过多少SPEEDING TICKET都记不清了, 最近一张在去高鱼家的路上被人民干警穷追7公里拿下...
        Gas: $500.00, 3500CC的引擎乘以2, 你说吧...
        NATRUAL GAS: $300/MTH, 死猪要用开水烫, 很多开水烫
        Rogers Bill: $500.00 手机公司很喜欢偶家...
        Life Insurance: $0, 谁有钱弄这个呀...
        不知去向的胡花: $500

        Basic and Fixed expenses: $不敢算


        税后收入我每个月大约$800.00, 。
        • 两辆凌志一把付清, 就是要把王小虎的气焰打下去, 不干挨踢也能进入主流... ~~~ 王小虎就这么容易打?!
        • 你这头猪黑色幽默玩了这么多,就这次最到位!“死猪要用开水烫, 很多开水烫”很生动的说!
        • LOL, Niu!
        • LOL. 还是你狠!
    • 大家不要比廖,直接把钱拿出来,看谁垒得高谁就是富人
      • 不用比了,在这里,存款为正的都是富人。
        • 不懂了吧。净资产为正数的说明你无能,拿着钱不知道干啥。净资产为负数的才更有钱图!
          • Bill Gates 这个笨蛋,不知道他的净资产负了没有。
            • 自80年代到2003年,微软都没有分红,一直在膨胀。3年前开始分红了,这是微软不再有大发展的迹象。没有用钱的地方了,把挣的钱给了股东。
      • The point is, in Canada, as rich as them , or as poor as us, are the same .... None of those who are posting here has a life.
      • 建议搞一个华人移民福布斯榜!
    • 单身之家___不写了,就是没钱。
    • 看来富人都喜欢上这个网,有没有穷人喜欢去的坛子给介绍几个
      • 华枫
        • lol
      • 上 http://www.51.ca 吧,那里的人都是抱怨的多。
    • 我觉得蛮正常的啊, 再木法省了
      看看我们家(2口之家)的每月支出吧:
      1. 房租: 800
      2. 车贷: 720
      3. 车保: 350(一辆车,全保)
      4. 汽油GAS: 600
      5. 电视电话网络:80
      6. 手机: 110
      7. 吃和杂用: 1000
      总计:3660
      • 车保: 350(一辆车,全保) 4. 汽油GAS: 600, ???????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Coooooooooooooooooooooooool. Can't imagine. What car is it?! F*?
        • 人家天天跑远路呀.
          • 350(一辆车,全保), $600 (compare to mine) can be 50km one way for a 15+L car. For sure it's a very good car, just not sure how good it is.
    • 看了这个,马上和老婆计算了一下自家的花费。
      看了这个,马上和老婆计算了一下自家的花费。因为涉及财务状况,所以换个马甲。我们三口之家,小孩两岁,有一个老人在这里帮着带小孩(探亲)。

      1. 房贷: 300
      2. 车贷: 0
      3. 车保: 150(一辆车全保)
      4. 地税: 250
      5. 水电气: 250
      6. GAS: 200
      7. 电视电话网络: 80
      8. 手机: 20
      9. BABYSITTER: 0
      10. 吃和杂用: 600
      11. 娱乐,买衣服等:500

      总计 2100

      我们税后收入每月13000,我10000,老婆3000。剩下的钱都用来还房贷,2006年底就能还完。买房时借了22万买的semi,三年半还完。我工作不需要用车。现在压力小了,老婆做个什么激光美容手术,4000块; 买块手表,4000块。再攒攒钱,过两年换个大房子。
      • wow! 你这水平还等2年干嘛,快快快换个大房子,再贷22万,2年半就可以还清了哈哈
      • 应该把第10项"吃和杂用"里的"老人旅游探亲保险费"单列出来.
      • 你不也是生意人吧?收入真不错。
    • 早习惯了.就当看个乐子.
      • 也以为自己早习惯了ROLIA的风格了, 看之前还以为自己的温饱问题基本上解决了, 看之后才发现自己才想某生意人说的, 越陷越深了!!!
        • 找块豆腐吧。
    • 在中国,比房子,比汽车,比职位,......参加一次老同学聚会,夫妻俩回家就得吵一架,心里不平衡不痛快。爱炫耀,爱攀比,气人有,笑人无。这股子臭酸水如今也流到加拿大这坛子里了?
      • 主要看你什么心态来看这个帖子的,我没觉得什么酸。我只是好奇大家是怎么分配家庭收入的,然后再调整一下自己的消费分配。这帖子很好。
        • 我的心态很平静。因为本人经济状况和 LZ 非常相似,不高不低。:-)
      • To me, Rolia becomes a very BAD place. At least wasted a lot of ppl's time. I think we can actually sue the owner.
        • sue the owner ? :-))
        • What would be the charge? Illegal show off?
          • Too many people Illegal show off here, sue all :-))
            • The owner: the guy who runs this site. ~~ I am serious. This guy brings a lot pain to many families.
              • :)) 同意同意。“This guy brings a lot pain to many families” , 自从这个帖子出来后,被版主标成“精华”,成了热点话题, 这两天不知道有多少夫妻在家里吵架了。
                • 你们家呢?
                  • 很平静。因为本人经济状况和 LZ 非常相似,不高不低。:)
                    • 你不能SUE. 相信你们即使看见收入高的也不会. 那些会的没有这种XB贴也会吵架. 正面看这些XB的: 鼓舞士气. 不少国内人不是说国移都是低收入者么.
                      • 同意 “正面看”。
      • The point is: spending several thousands a month in GTA just barely keeps the acceptable living stardard. If monthly grocery spending is only around $200, I guess there is no reason to stay here. Because:
        you suffer a lot and didn't enjoy much! Life is short and you only have one life, don't sacrifice too much. For local middle class family, paying $3000 mortgage and spending $1300 on 2 cars every month are normal. Most of people here were already so called middle class in China, why do you choose to suffer with your family here? Life is what you make it, successful people always have guts and brains to make it right.
        • I don't agree with you about your comments. "For local middle class family, paying $3000 mortgage and spending $1300 on 2 cars every month are normal." Here are the reasons:
          本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛1. example 1: my currently company has some VPs, Some of them made 600K, 400K, 300K (formal report) in 2005. Each one of above mentioned drives G35 class of car. They are way about middle class.
          2. co-workers (local grow, well educated man and women), including first/second level managers, 9 of 10 drove cheaper car than I do. Newest manager (Harvard PHD, local canadian) is going to buy a CR_V to replace his 8 year old Civic. 50% of those people makes more than I do. None of them bought home in recently 3 years. None of them has concerns on mortage. 50% of them living space is bigger than 1800sf.
          3. Above mentioned local people, bring lunch like I do. They go out eat a lots and like to drink, so even lunch, $20 for min. They spend $ on vocations, hobbys, gifts, books, investments, kids.
          4. I know canadian technician groups, they drove trucks(5~7liter engin), like DIY their home, they do buy home for flip.

          Frankly speaking, Rolia is the place for our chinese to show off. Bigger house and nicer car are the major two topics to show "I am doing good". If this is the way to let us feel better, then continus do it. But if this is bad topic to let part of us feel poor, then try to think about another way, at least we know if we work harder, we may have same income as others.

          Be confidence and feel good to be yourself.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
          • If you read my post, you should've agreed with me. I was not talking about house or car here, I was talking about grocery and food. DON'T treat ourselves too harsh. And
            regardless how much you make, at least you won't want your family suffer with you. Buying a nicer car and bigger house is not wrong, as long as you can afford it. Someone is willing to trade off the other aspect of living standard to make it, it's their freedom. But lots of poeple can enjoy everything too. Vice versa, driving a cheaper car and do lots of travel is also a personal choice. I don't see any difference here and this is exactly what I was talking about. From the post, I guess you can tell I am as confident as you are. But the point is, confident doesn't necessary mean you have to drive a CR-V while making 600K salary per year. Do you agree with me?
            • No, I can't agree with you. Both you and I have to respect each others opinion. Like I always mentioned, keep ourselves cool down. No one have to do something unless that action is to recover mistakes.
            • I agree with you. I don't get what middle-class is trying to say..
          • 我觉得你的贴子有点文不对题, 1Comment 只是劝别人不要suffer, 你确在说赚60W一年的人只开CRV或Civic. 我相信那个阶层的人有很多开BMW. 不过你们说的都对, 只不过各说各话而以
    • 我觉得楼主写得非常真实, 值得鼓励.
      我周围的很多朋友都是差不多的生活水平.
      回复的人里面, 有些收入很高, 已经在平均水平以上了, 我觉得大家有什么好眼红的,世界上富人很多呀, 眼红得过来吗?何必给自已太大压力.
      有些收入稍差些, 以后的生活也会好起来.应该互相鼓励才对.
      这个坛子有些发言,一味地鼓吹现在没有买房的人超出能力买房,是利益趋使,.
      看看真实的家庭平均支出, 现在的房价走势, 再决家买不买才是明智之举.
      • SHOW OFF 的事不应鼓励,不利于创建和谐社会
        • 这楼主哪里有SHOW OFF?
          他们家MONEY全都用光光, 没有钱去旅游, 运动, 买衣服, 化妆品, 改造家园, 投资... 只能维持基本生活而已.
          • 包括楼主在内的部分人,在得意自己生活富足的时候,有没有考虑捐一部分收入作为慈善捐款?很多中产阶级老外的生活收支清单上都有慈善捐款的部分.
            • “慈善捐款”多少都会有的,一年几百元吧,比如教会捐款,孩子学校里的义卖等等。来了才几年,刚刚供房供车,处于温饱状态的新移民,如何与本地出生长大的中产阶级相比?大多数移民绝对不属于中产阶级。
        • 在你眼中,大凡生活状态比你好的人,只要写出来被你看到了都是在show off。于是你只好通过不断的假想来贬低,希望可以安慰自己:这不是真的,他们通通是吹牛。实在贬低不成的,就给他们扣上个为富不仁的帽子--有慈善捐款吗?其实
          你知道不知道,donation有时也不过是为了税务上的优惠。如果你想抓住donation这根鸡毛来当道义上的令箭,我恐怕你又错了。

          还有,不要拿“不利于创建和谐社会”这个大帽子来吓人。因为“创建和谐社会”这个提法是近年来,中共针对国内贫富太过悬殊,并引发了很多社会问题才提出来的。而国内的贫富悬殊大部分又是由于特权阶层,行业垄断,黑箱操作等等不公平机制造成的。你真的认为加拿大的国移群体里,如果有贫富差距的话,会是因为机制的不公平造成的吗?只跟每个人的努力程度以及机会运气有关吧?

          你嫉妒也就罢了,正常心态;因为嫉妒就去假想并通过贬低别人来平衡自己,虽然阴暗,也还说得过去;但是你还要找些冠冕堂皇的大道理,来掩盖自己的阴暗心理,那就是无赖兼可恶了。
          • 提到慈善捐款,不过是种建议,何必如此努不可遏.致于你所说的扣帽子,只不过是你自己的联想.没有得到你期盼的羡慕的话语,很失望吧.
            字眼
            • 小人眼里看到的都是小人。你喜欢想得这么狭隘也由得你。我无意也没有必要去说服和改变你为人处世的方式和态度。还好你应该不是我现实生活圈里的朋友,否则真不知道什么时候会被你这种人阴一把。
              • "小人眼里看到的都是小人。" 这句说得好.
      • Right, right, anymore? Someone give me a surprise, pls.
    • 我不工作,老婆也不工作
      (转)我一个在温哥华的朋友的小子生活
      我们还没到30岁,小孩一个。
      现在这儿的House没有毛给鸡,现在大概值一个米莲吧,这样的房子在这儿不算豪宅,另外的一个全楼出租给鬼佬,每月收4钱。
      我开宝马M五,老婆开灵芝430,管家开Odyssey,接送孩子用的。
      我从不关心每个月华多少,存多少,反正够用。
      举个例子,今年夏天在现在这个房子的花园的花费大概就要1到2万吧。
      上个月从Bora Bora回来,就我和老婆两个人的,孩子没带去,算算一个月也就用去4万多。
      小孩每月各种花费大概也得要4,5千吧。
      老婆隔三差五就要去巴黎,东京,香港shopping,我也就在车子上花些个钱。
      我们银行存款不多,也就3,4十万假币,上海北京各有房两套。
      所有的钱,来自老爸和岳父大人,只要我开心,老婆开心,小孩开心,生活无忧。我老爸比她老爸更有钱一点吧。
      • his father is a politician and his wife's father collects taxes from peasant farmers
      • 这不是普通人的典型生活,没有一点儿参考意义。你就可了劲儿吹吧,反正吹牛不上税,还娱乐大家,呵呵。
    • 都什么素质!!!!
      整个一堆暴发户,最多也就混个小资,一水儿的比吃喝拉撒睡,你就算天天吃鲍鱼,你总得吃点萝卜白菜吧,能有什么比法。
      上点档次的比比代步工具,一年一次的去外地旅游-还是什么去香港SHOPPING (能不XBXB吗)。
      什么出息。

      你们能不能弄点上点档次的列出来,我也好贴一下我的消费情况。
      比如
      你家有几个MAID,
      有私人助理吗,
      有保镖吗,
      买不起私人JET,包租过吗?
      有YACHT吗,注意不是挂帆在安大略湖里逛游的那种。
      SHOPPING我就不说了,你们肯定没戏
      你们冬天去哪里滑雪?平时哪里度假?
      骑马吗?会马术吗?开摩托兜风吗?
      有自己的收藏吗?
      平时锻炼身体有多少消费?
      。。。

      我都懒的在写了,那些热衷于比吃喝拉撒睡的,就免开尊口回帖了。。。
      • 这位成功人士, 你也是有脑之人. 在这混的大多是帮人打工的, 可能有保镖和私人jet吗? 有私人jet的连贴...
        都不会回. 如果我们今天运气好, 您就赏脸XB一下. 不要说您老爸有钱, 否则也说明不了你有出息. "没吃过猪肉, 还没见过猪跑路"那一套就免了吧
      • 小菜!我有一列火车,两架波音乐777,三艘泰坦尼克,四台太空站,五座珠穆朗玛峰,六片太平洋,七个地球,。。。这样说吧,连宇宙都不在话下,
        还有比这更牛的没有?反正吹牛也不要钱。吹着吹着,梦就醒了,原来是白日做梦呀!哈哈,开个玩笑。
        • LAOWANSTV的这个贴回的还算有点水平,没跑题。
          本来大家就是来吹牛的,怎么就有这么多人还挺义愤填膺的。反而中了有些人的道道儿。
      • 莫非传说中的汝南周公子出现了,去阿拉斯加滑雪的干活
        是不是只开白色CHEV,嘿嘿
        • LOL. 该公子看60年代出版的老掉牙的“格调”看多了,跟时代脱节但是又走火入魔的说。
    • Balance between income and expense is very important, but net worth give you a final picture
      net worth is the value of the things you have, assets, minus the debts.

      Yes, depend on your ages, and income, and also the expense level, the level of the net worth is difference for each families.

      here is mine, just for your reference:

      age: 40
      family of 4, with 2 kids.
      assets:
      house: 300k
      investment out of rrsp: 60k
      rrsp: 60k
      resp: 20k
      cars: 16k
      others: 7k

      debts:
      mortgage 150k

      net worth: 313k

      I believe the average net worth for Canadian family is 249k, and for group of age 35-44, the average is 99k(all according to the statistics 1999).

      As all came from God, thank God for HIS bless!
      • can't agree more. you are in good shape. i am trying to follow you. :-)