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What happen with Zhu's classmates? Why they keep silent? (zt)

What happen with Zhu's classmates? Why they keep silent?

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送交者: seeit 于 March 07, 2002 00:33:38:

Are they all cold-blooded or what?

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"I remember I
went to Tsinghua asking for help from her fellow classmates in one weekend when we were really
short of hands. Nobody showed even a slice of interest. On the contrary, they showed clear
distance from this. That kind of coldness hurt us so much. "


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  • 枫下茶话 / 社会 / 谁知道清华陀投毒案的情况听说那个投毒的女的已经到美国了
    • 没来多伦多吧?
    • 美国人好可怜,投Anthrax的还没找到, 又来了投陀的。够FBI忙一阵子了。
    • "华陀投毒案"? 古时候的事也拿出来讲?
      • 哈哈,俺一开始也看错啦。应该是铊。
    • 哪个女的? 你说的是朱令吗? 化学系的
      • 朱令好像是受害者吧?
        • 怎么? 有此案子的最新进展吗?! 我是她的大学同班同学来着, 很好的朋友.
          • 握手, 校友.
            • 你哪个系的? 那年毕业的?
              • 精仪, 93年的老兵喽
          • 看了她的事后,心里很难受,你能稍微讲讲到底是怎么回事吗?
            • http://www.google.ca/search?q=%D6%EC%C1%EE&hl=zh-CN
          • What happen with Zhu's classmates? Why they keep silent? (zt)
            What happen with Zhu's classmates? Why they keep silent?

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            送交者: seeit 于 March 07, 2002 00:33:38:

            Are they all cold-blooded or what?

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            "I remember I
            went to Tsinghua asking for help from her fellow classmates in one weekend when we were really
            short of hands. Nobody showed even a slice of interest. On the contrary, they showed clear
            distance from this. That kind of coldness hurt us so much. "


            http://www.xys.org/forum/messages/57254.html
        • 我是朱令的高中同学. 2001年初,我和其他几个同学去她家探访过, 真的很无奈.想当初一个多才多艺的小姑娘.
    • UP !!!
      • 一次本来只需花费几十元药费即可治愈的“铊中毒”,却让朱令永远躺在了病床上
        本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛一次本来只需花费几十元药费即可治愈的“铊中毒”,却让朱令永远躺在了病床上
        朱令的官司没结束





        本报特约记者 巫昂
          
          5年来,与协和医院的官司让朱令一家人伤透了脑筋。生于1973年11月的朱令1995年因铊中毒延误治疗,留下了永久性后遗症。现在她已经全身瘫痪,双目近于失明,大脑迟钝,基本丧失了语言能力。
          朱令原为清华大学化学系学生。1994年12月,她首次因不明原因发病,腹、腰、四肢关节疼痛。在北京同仁医院接受治疗近一个月,病因仍无法确诊。
          1995年3月9日,朱令前往北京市协和医院神经内科专家门诊就医。神经内科主任李舜伟教授初诊后认为朱令的病因是“高度怀疑铊中毒”,并请中国预防医学科学院劳动与卫生职业病研究所的张寿林大夫会诊。张提出可能是“铊中毒”或“砷中毒”。
          朱令就在协和医院急诊室一边接受观察一边等待住院床位。3月15日,朱令住院。从那时起,朱令就开始接受各式各样的检查。同时,朱令的神志越越恍惚,手的控制能力越来越差。这时医生告诉她的母亲,基本否定了病因是“铊中毒”的可能。
          1995年4月,朱令成为中国首位利用互联网寻求救助的病人。据统计,朱令的同学们前后共在网上收到1000多封来信。朱令的初中同学贝志诚在北大召集了二三十名同学,不断地把信件译成中文,希望主治大夫给朱令做一次是否铊中毒的检测,但这个愿望却未能实现。
          朱令的妈妈依然没有放弃。她又找到北京职业病防治所的陈震阳大夫,最后确认了朱令铊中毒的含量(是致死量)。陈大夫建议协和医院使用口服普鲁士蓝为朱令解毒,共花费40余元。而在此之前,朱令从协和医院出院时,他的家人收到了共计50万元的账单。
          使用普鲁士蓝一个月后,朱令体内的铊含量基本排除,中毒的症状消失。然而,严重的后遗症却将和她相伴终生。
          1996年12月,朱令的家人犹豫许久之后,决定将此事对簿公堂。2000年11月26日,北京市第二中级人民法院终审判决协和医院补偿朱令医疗等损失10万元。但是,这一赔付至今没有执行。 
        (作者单位:三联生活周刊)

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    • 你听谁说的?
      • 去bbs.mit.edu(重开后目前只有telnet),love/overseas/thu讨论铺天盖地的。
      • 估计是听了朱令的母亲说的
      • http://www.xys.org/forum/messages/57254.html
    • " Thallium was all over Zhu Ling¡¯s drinking glass (as I remembered) in her room. She was clearly poisoned by people close to her. " --- quoted
    • 朱令事件的一些真相(zhuan)
      本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛朱令事件的一些真相

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      送交者: aaaabbbb 于 March 06, 2002 23:03:57:

      嫌疑犯名字叫做:孙维
      当时的清华本科生是接触不到铊的,只有孙维因为和教授作课题才能接触。另外,警方还掌握了相当多的证据;按警方的看法,如果没有下面说的情况,早可以定罪了。

      他的爷爷参加过辛亥革命,曾任民革副主席。

      据说他死前,最高领导人去探访他,他的要求就是把他孙女放出来。

      又据说当时的北京市公安局长大发雷霆说:放他妈什么放,打死了装在麻袋里放出去。

      但结果,大家都猜得到。

      之后,很多人一直在尽力阻止该名嫌疑犯出国,先后阻止了她在美国、英国、新加坡使馆获得签证。在前年她和一个美国人结婚了,再次申请出国,美国使馆要求同仁医院对她的精神状况进行检查;这是去年的最后消息了。

      我难以奢望她会有一点点罪恶感,因为永远是坏蛋睡得最香。

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      民革历届副主席只有一位姓孙,1995年12月去世,103岁 (无内容) - haidso (0 bytes) 00:47:06 3/07/02 (57449) (0)
      孙越崎是她爷爷 - aaaabbbb (18 bytes) 00:43:39 3/07/02 (57448) (3)
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      • 听谁说的孙微是嫌疑犯, 请不要瞎猜 .
        • 几年前就有报道说朱令是被投毒的,而且被投的不只一处,很明显目的就是要置之于死地。你如果是她同班同学,怎么会一点都不知道??
          • 我是男生, 她们女生宿舍的事情我也不太清楚. 但说到嫌疑的话, 个个女生都有嫌疑呀, 干吗非说人家孙微呀.
        • If you have more truth to offer, go to URL, read some discission there
        • 网上说(又在传谣了)“学校只有一个人能接触到TA”
          • 这纯属胡扯, 类似铊的重金属盐在我们实验室里遍地都是, 谁都可以拿的到,它们都是极其普通的分析用试剂, (若用做害人,那就是巨毒了) .
            • 现在说的是Ta,
              • 看来我得给你普及一下化学知识了. :-) , Tl 是 铊 的元素符号. Ta 是金属钽的符号.
                • 谢谢,我只是转述,哈哈,回到哪个话题:有人讲“学校只有一个人能接触到铊”究竟对不对?你讲“类似铊的重金属盐”,是不是包括铊?
        • do u know her?
          • 她可不是我们班的孙维 ! 除非她整容了.
            • You are Wei Sun. You make us sick !
              • 放屁! 不知道别乱说!!
    • I witnessed the whole thing (zhuan)
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      送交者: wuxj 于 March 05, 2002 22:16:14:

      I was the roommate of Bei Zhicheng and Cai Quanqing in Beida. I witnessed the whole thing and was among the numerous people who provided help. I remembered the names of Xin Li and Dr. Aldis. Li’s website in UCLA is extremely organized and contains most of the information. All the facts in Yuan’s long article were pretty much accurate except his/her imagination about the relationship between the two daughters’ tragedy of Zhu’s family was never confirmed.

      There are quite a few things that are significant in this event: Internet, telemedicine, medical accident due to the ego of doctor(s) in PUMC, murder, struggle of a devastated family, etc. In fact, the publicity of this event made Internet a household name in the early 1995. I know many people in China who first heard of Internet from this story. People from all over the country sent letters to Bei and Cai asking for medical help year after this event. However here I’d like to make some comments from a different point of view.

      The courage and perseverance of Bei when facing challenges and confronting authorities. In China, no too many people have the guts to consistently question the opinion of authorities like PUMC with little medical knowledge. Getting help from Internet was easy comparing to the battles later on fought with PUMC. Bei showed sound judgment and spirit of independence. Although he didn’t finish school due to his own choice, I admire him as a true Beidaer in this regard.

      The help from numerous people. Bei was Zhu’s classmate in high school and they hadn’t been in contact for years by them. Cai at that time was playing around in Prof Chen Yaosong’s lab as a Sophomore student. He provided the idea of Internet news groups and all that. 10 people lived in our room at that time. We were all astonished by Bei’s description of Zhu’s symptom after his visit to PUMC. Almost all of us were helping in this case. We sat in front of the dummy terminals in the lab downloading the responses from the Internet with a connection of 100bytes per second even in the midnight (that was early 1995) and analyzed those letters in the dorm. With several thousand responses, the analysis itself was quite a job. I was really moved by the kind of helping spirit in my room, in the lab and, needlessly to say, on the Internet. Prof Chen even gave us several hundred RMB to have a decent meal. What a nice guy! However, Zhu Ling’s friends and classmates in Tsinghua never contacted us to provide help. I remember I went to Tsinghua asking for help from her fellow classmates in one weekend when we were really short of hands. Nobody showed even a slice of interest. On the contrary, they showed clear distance from this. That kind of coldness hurt us so much. We never contacted them again. Thallium was all over Zhu Ling’s drinking glass (as I remembered) in her room. She was clearly poisoned by people close to her. The prime suspect was her classmate although never convicted. I still wonder how her roommates and classmates could live with that! This kind of feeling grew stronger over time as I understand more and more about humans. I am not really into the debate over the superiority between Tsinghua and Beida. But I have no doubt that Bedaers, not Peking University, in a sense, will always be the conscience of China.

      Seven years has passed. Now I am sitting in front of my computer in an office in the Silicon Valley. I have changed a lot. However, I wonder whether the result would be different should this case happen again in China today. If some day somebody wants to make a movie or write a book about this, I would like the book or movie to be about the nature of human beings, not just about Internet, a murder case, or a medical accident.







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      You guys really make me proud of our Alma Mater once more. - taicu (897 bytes) 23:17:52 3/05/02 (4)
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      I've no intention whatsoever in evoking the rivalry between the two schools. - taicu (849 bytes) 02:26:25 3/06/02 (0)
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    • 前有投毒女,后有泼酸郎, 近是鸡鸣狗盗的事. 比起我们学校差远啦....我们那有一位拿自动步枪杀人的.
    • a web site about the girl and the tragedy.
      • http://www.radsci.ucla.edu/telemed/zhuling/
    • We should do something to throw her into jail. She is a sick mind people