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Thx a lot. I went to UT and met a senior undergraduate student...

westwindode(westwindode)

Thx a lot.
I went to UT and met a senior undergraduate student. He tole me:
1. The CS in UT is very much math and theory oriented, so the program is quite challenging to most of the students there. Therefore, the program in UT prepares students for further study, like PHD or the like...

2. He heard the CS program in UW is more practical, and therefore provide better opportunity for a job. Microsoft hire undergrad students from UW annually.

I also checked the faculty of U of Waterloo, many of whom are the PHD from UT. Meanwhile, the computer facilities in UT seems no worse than those in UW;

How come the advantage of UW in computer program prestige? Is it because UT has too many focus besides engineering and computer science?
What do you think??

Computer lover.

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Last Updated: 2002-4-18
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工作学习 / 求学深造 / Many people told me the undergraduate computer science in U. of Waterloo is better than that of UT. -westwindode(westwindode); 2002-4-18 {248} (#467473@0)
Many people told me the undergraduate computer science in U. of Waterloo is better than that of UT.

Would you pls tell me what is the difference or whether the difference is substantial? Thx so much, I'm selecting an offer...

Computer lover

go for waterloo, without any hesitation. -amail(乌龙tea); 2002-4-18 (#467488@0)

Thx Wulong Tea. Any more specific information for this ?? Thx so much... -westwindode(westwindode); 2002-4-18 (#467533@0)

做好打硬仗的心理准备，而且是上甘岭那种的。 -heian(㊣天使-考ing 2/5); 2002-4-18 (#467556@0)

轻重伤都不能下火线 -slimpiggy(瘦猪犹如插翅虎); 2002-4-18 (#467715@0)

恩，死都要死在上面。 -heian(㊣天使-考ing 2/5); 2002-4-18 (#467737@0)

对，活是waterloo的人，死是waterloo的 -littletomato(平沙落雁); 2002-4-18 {50} (#467801@0)
嗯，死人！

just kidding, 看过大史记的DX会明白:)
:>), your kind reminders get me excited. Every hacker / will-be-hacker likes to play hard ball; -westwindode(westwindode); 2002-4-18 {312} (#467821@0)
:>), your kind reminders get me excited.

Every hacker / will-be-hacker likes to play hard ball; doesn't you guys do?

Of course, it's easier said than done, you may say. But it's really something to die for...not the school, but the challange...
(just pretending to be tough, :>), you know it......)

It that's the one under math dept., definitely No.1 in Canada, donot think it would open to mature students. -fff(钱是我们的亲亲宝贝); 2002-4-18 (#467568@0)

刚刚还看见你在bingle后面跟了一个帖子，转眼没了。你自己删的，还是。。。 -amber(琥珀); 2002-4-18 (#467656@0)

Thx a lot. I went to UT and met a senior undergraduate student... -westwindode(westwindode); 2002-4-18 {786} (#467637@0)
Thx a lot.
I went to UT and met a senior undergraduate student. He tole me:
1. The CS in UT is very much math and theory oriented, so the program is quite challenging to most of the students there. Therefore, the program in UT prepares students for further study, like PHD or the like...

2. He heard the CS program in UW is more practical, and therefore provide better opportunity for a job. Microsoft hire undergrad students from UW annually.

I also checked the faculty of U of Waterloo, many of whom are the PHD from UT. Meanwhile, the computer facilities in UT seems no worse than those in UW;

How come the advantage of UW in computer program prestige? Is it because UT has too many focus besides engineering and computer science?
What do you think??

Computer lover.

加拿大就这么几所学校,总得排出个名次来吧. 其实微软在稍好的学校都每年招人,只是它工资不高,前几年似乎在stock option上的吸引力不如start up, 所以好多美国名牌学校的毕业生并不喜欢去. -roo(baloon); 2002-4-18 (#467735@0)

I thought Microsoft pays pretty good, I guess I am just being naive... -slimpiggy(瘦猪犹如插翅虎); 2002-4-18 (#467743@0)

MS给new graduate的Offer一般在五万以下,Oracle 则在六万以上,多数年轻人并不太在乎地区差.Oracle的股票头几年每年都翻好几倍(当然现在又回来了). 且微软做的东西杂,象Word, Street Map之类的,不吸引人. -roo(baloon); 2002-4-18 (#467780@0)

that's not true, MS paid 60k USD for a 4th year coop student backing in 1997 -slimpiggy(瘦猪犹如插翅虎); 2002-4-18 (#467786@0)

I only talked generally, from the experience of about a hundred Chinese IT friends, in Silicon Valley and Seatle. -roo(baloon); 2002-4-18 (#467817@0)

data from 100 friends?fine, you must be right, Jack called, says he doesn't know you -slimpiggy(瘦猪犹如插翅虎); 2002-4-18 (#467840@0)

I don't know him either. I'll check with Bill to see if he knows him. 不好意思, 我无所事事闲荡了好几年,书没读好,朋友却交了不少. -roo(baloon); 2002-4-18 (#467883@0)

外面太吵了... -slimpiggy(瘦猪犹如插翅虎); 2002-4-18 (#467902@0)

忽然发现上当: COOP肯定是加拿大的学校, 名校都在加东, 到MS做COOP? 签证? 美国学校叫INTERN, 通常只在夏季, 四年纪的CS学生做INTERN? He/She must be kidding. -roo(baloon); 2002-4-19 (#468223@0)

usually, co-op is for students, still in school. Internship is for new graduates, already leave school. $12-$15/hour for co-op , and $1500/month for internship in Canada -aabbcc(abc); 2002-4-19 (#468791@0)

算了算了,得罪人了, 不聊了, Bye-bye. -roo(baloon); 2002-4-18 (#467863@0)

不要太SENSITIVE吗, 我们又没有说1+1+1那个峡 -slimpiggy(瘦猪犹如插翅虎); 2002-4-18 (#467893@0)

前两天还见你在讲诚实善良，不会不知道谁在舞大刀吧？ -fff(钱是我们的亲亲宝贝); 2002-4-18 (#467917@0)

跟错了吧? I SAID NOTHING ABOUT THE THREE GORGES DAM -slimpiggy(瘦猪犹如插翅虎); 2002-4-18 (#467931@0)

I mean you should know who is deleting msgs now. -fff(钱是我们的亲亲宝贝); 2002-4-18 (#467953@0)

your comments are informative --- very helpful for me. :>P -westwindode(westwindode); 2002-4-19 (#468348@0)

I know many CS graduates(from China) in US and Canada met hard time finding jobs at the beginning of this year. Thing gets a little better now? -westwindode(westwindode); 2002-4-18 (#467951@0)

Your English is the best one I've ever read in this forum. -fillers(一次足够，勿重复); 2002-4-19 {237} (#468092@0)
I would suggest you to consider other things for making choice between UW and UT, since there is no big difference in their undergraduate programs in CS. Things like which city do you prefer to live in? should be taken into your account.

Beyond academic stuffs, Toronto does provide my family more convinience; that's why my choice is quite hard now...thank you guys :>) -westwindode(westwindode); 2002-4-19 (#468346@0)

@Calgary

Thx a lot. I went to UT and met a senior undergraduate student...

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