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"albert yang说 TERM现在（20或30岁）是好的选择，保15万的月费17元，最大的缺点是65岁时RENEW的月费接近250元。我说 albert yang，你给的这些数字真够吓人的，翻出我的保单，我发现了如下的差别，我的年龄比你设定的大得多（40），保20万的月费是22元，还包括伤残的waiver，70－80岁时的月费是180元。这个年龄以后我没有特殊需要就不会买任何保险了。差别实在太大，你还是好好回顾你的数字吧，我们真的很胆小，经不起吓唬，还是你代理的CLARICA保险公司就这个数字，幸亏我没买此公司的，感谢上帝。"
My response:
I did not use any scare tactics when I mentioned that monthly premium for term policy could be as high as $250/m when you turn 65. It is an average amount charged by insurance companies in Canada. If you get anything cheaper, good for you.
Your comment
" albert yang还说，人过世了需要2－2。5万的安葬费和被保人法律手续费，再加上通货膨胀，得6。5万到8万。哈哈，又是一个用解决意外的手段解决意内的实例，同时够讲排场的，比活着的时候排场多了，甚至年富力强的青壮年时也没这么潇洒过，我还是选择别死了，好死不如赖活着。我怎么有个概念，平均一般的安葬费5－6千元，如果这个年龄没买任何保险，我自然就没有你所说的被保人法律手续费之类了。"
My response:
just take a look at the following fact
FEES PAYABLE AT DEATH ONTARIO
In addition to income taxes at death, here are other fees that can deplete
the assets in your estate.
1. Probate Fees
Ontario's probate fees were successfully challenged in a recent Supreme Court case. As a result, the province introduced an Estate Administration Tax at the same level as the former probate fees.
The value of your estate which passes under your will is subject to
provincial fee/tax of $5 per $1,000 (or portion thereof) for the first
$50,000, and $15 per $1,000 (or portion thereof) for the remaining value
of the estate.
2. Legal Fees
Fees are levied by a solicitor for services performed in the settlement of
estates. The fees levied will be based on the amount of time spent in
the settlement of the estate.
3. Executor Fees
The executor, the person who carries out the instructions given in your
will, is entitled to be paid. A professional executor is usually paid a
maximum of 5% of the value of the estate under administration. Additional fees can be charged against the income of the estate if the estate must be held in trust for any length of time.
4. Funeral Expenses
Today, funeral costs range between $7,500 and $20,000.
Total cost: add up 1 to 4
Clarification:
1. all these fees are incurred as a result of a person's death. If a person has no will, no assets, no money left when he or she passes away, then funeral expenses is the only one payable. However, many of us will have certain amount of accumulated wealth and assets to dispose of when we die. Then, there will be legal fees, executor's fees and probate fees.
2. there is no fee collectable by insurance company when it pays out death benefit, which goes directly to cover the above-mentioned fees.
Your comment:
"albert yang又说，部分钱是保险，其余就去投资了。老生常谈，总是这道科，还记得我在原文里讲的保险成本吗，如果UL和TERM的可比成本一样，我何乐而不用它的优势呢，就是它的劣势大于它的优势，我才建议穷人只买TERM。比如保险应当20元，你让我交60元，拿40元去投资，当然是好事，可你硬说成本是40元，只留给我20元去投资，你就投资投资的说个没完没了，弄的大家云里雾里的就跟你走了"
My response:
It is a known fact that the cost for UL is higher than the one for term. the reason being: UL offers more flexibility in terms of policy administration (eg. you can have payment holiday when there is cash value; you can change the underlying investment components anytime. ) all these flexibilities means higher cost for insurance company to administer the policy. I don't recall telling you that "cost is $40 instead of $20". Nobody forces anybody to buy UL.
Your comment:
"albert yang也有说对的时候，他让我每年审查回顾自己的保险事项，谢谢你，我会做的，如果我的情况发生变化，我会进行必要的调整。另外， albert yang让我相信他，他可以和我更仔细的谈论我的保险事宜。说实在的，我需要不懈的努力才能达到相信他的地步。"
My response:
Yeah, do annual review of your current policy. As for trust, it is earned not asked for. Insurance (including UL) is good for many people, you don't have to trust me to acknowlege that.
Your comment:
唯一的疑问是，你说只有5％的加拿大人有舒适的退休生活。比例确实挺小的，但你是否知道有多少比例的人口在退休之前也没有舒适的生活，工资低，养家糊口负担重，你总不能让我们现在勒紧裤带，吃糠咽菜，就是为了将来有个舒适的退休生活吧。"
my response:
Buying life insurance and its derivative products is not a waste of money,
Insurance is not a luxury, it is a necessity. It is part of our overall financial planning, if we don't plan ahead, we will never get out of "poverty". UL is more expensive than term, but UL offers more and longer coverage period. You decide which one is more suitable for you.
My last comment:
The scary thing is: many have to pay $30 to $40 for cable, $50 for a meal at restaurant, $100 to $300 for car insurance, $1000 for GICs,mutual fund or stocks, but they never find $20 to $100 for life insurance. Without having us and our family covered by life insurance and its derivative products, we are always at risk of lossing big time financially when uncontrollable events such as death, sickness, disability strike.
Planning for the rainy days, that's life insurance all about.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
"albert yang说 TERM现在（20或30岁）是好的选择，保15万的月费17元，最大的缺点是65岁时RENEW的月费接近250元。我说 albert yang，你给的这些数字真够吓人的，翻出我的保单，我发现了如下的差别，我的年龄比你设定的大得多（40），保20万的月费是22元，还包括伤残的waiver，70－80岁时的月费是180元。这个年龄以后我没有特殊需要就不会买任何保险了。差别实在太大，你还是好好回顾你的数字吧，我们真的很胆小，经不起吓唬，还是你代理的CLARICA保险公司就这个数字，幸亏我没买此公司的，感谢上帝。"
My response:
I did not use any scare tactics when I mentioned that monthly premium for term policy could be as high as $250/m when you turn 65. It is an average amount charged by insurance companies in Canada. If you get anything cheaper, good for you.
Your comment
" albert yang还说，人过世了需要2－2。5万的安葬费和被保人法律手续费，再加上通货膨胀，得6。5万到8万。哈哈，又是一个用解决意外的手段解决意内的实例，同时够讲排场的，比活着的时候排场多了，甚至年富力强的青壮年时也没这么潇洒过，我还是选择别死了，好死不如赖活着。我怎么有个概念，平均一般的安葬费5－6千元，如果这个年龄没买任何保险，我自然就没有你所说的被保人法律手续费之类了。"
My response:
just take a look at the following fact
FEES PAYABLE AT DEATH ONTARIO
In addition to income taxes at death, here are other fees that can deplete
the assets in your estate.
1. Probate Fees
Ontario's probate fees were successfully challenged in a recent Supreme Court case. As a result, the province introduced an Estate Administration Tax at the same level as the former probate fees.
The value of your estate which passes under your will is subject to
provincial fee/tax of $5 per $1,000 (or portion thereof) for the first
$50,000, and $15 per $1,000 (or portion thereof) for the remaining value
of the estate.
2. Legal Fees
Fees are levied by a solicitor for services performed in the settlement of
estates. The fees levied will be based on the amount of time spent in
the settlement of the estate.
3. Executor Fees
The executor, the person who carries out the instructions given in your
will, is entitled to be paid. A professional executor is usually paid a
maximum of 5% of the value of the estate under administration. Additional fees can be charged against the income of the estate if the estate must be held in trust for any length of time.
4. Funeral Expenses
Today, funeral costs range between $7,500 and $20,000.
Total cost: add up 1 to 4
Clarification:
1. all these fees are incurred as a result of a person's death. If a person has no will, no assets, no money left when he or she passes away, then funeral expenses is the only one payable. However, many of us will have certain amount of accumulated wealth and assets to dispose of when we die. Then, there will be legal fees, executor's fees and probate fees.
2. there is no fee collectable by insurance company when it pays out death benefit, which goes directly to cover the above-mentioned fees.
Your comment:
"albert yang又说，部分钱是保险，其余就去投资了。老生常谈，总是这道科，还记得我在原文里讲的保险成本吗，如果UL和TERM的可比成本一样，我何乐而不用它的优势呢，就是它的劣势大于它的优势，我才建议穷人只买TERM。比如保险应当20元，你让我交60元，拿40元去投资，当然是好事，可你硬说成本是40元，只留给我20元去投资，你就投资投资的说个没完没了，弄的大家云里雾里的就跟你走了"
My response:
It is a known fact that the cost for UL is higher than the one for term. the reason being: UL offers more flexibility in terms of policy administration (eg. you can have payment holiday when there is cash value; you can change the underlying investment components anytime. ) all these flexibilities means higher cost for insurance company to administer the policy. I don't recall telling you that "cost is $40 instead of $20". Nobody forces anybody to buy UL.
Your comment:
"albert yang也有说对的时候，他让我每年审查回顾自己的保险事项，谢谢你，我会做的，如果我的情况发生变化，我会进行必要的调整。另外， albert yang让我相信他，他可以和我更仔细的谈论我的保险事宜。说实在的，我需要不懈的努力才能达到相信他的地步。"
My response:
Yeah, do annual review of your current policy. As for trust, it is earned not asked for. Insurance (including UL) is good for many people, you don't have to trust me to acknowlege that.
Your comment:
唯一的疑问是，你说只有5％的加拿大人有舒适的退休生活。比例确实挺小的，但你是否知道有多少比例的人口在退休之前也没有舒适的生活，工资低，养家糊口负担重，你总不能让我们现在勒紧裤带，吃糠咽菜，就是为了将来有个舒适的退休生活吧。"
my response:
Buying life insurance and its derivative products is not a waste of money,
Insurance is not a luxury, it is a necessity. It is part of our overall financial planning, if we don't plan ahead, we will never get out of "poverty". UL is more expensive than term, but UL offers more and longer coverage period. You decide which one is more suitable for you.
My last comment:
The scary thing is: many have to pay $30 to $40 for cable, $50 for a meal at restaurant, $100 to $300 for car insurance, $1000 for GICs,mutual fund or stocks, but they never find $20 to $100 for life insurance. Without having us and our family covered by life insurance and its derivative products, we are always at risk of lossing big time financially when uncontrollable events such as death, sickness, disability strike.
Planning for the rainy days, that's life insurance all about.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net