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一篇客观的文章,列举几个不同的观点和理论,但并没下结论,做判断.

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Some evolutionary biologists, particularly sociobiologists, believe that morality is a product of evolutionary forces acting at an individual level and also at the group level through group selection .
个人不偏重这个观点.

Some sociobiologists contend that the set of behaviors that constitute morality evolved largely because they provided possible survival and/or reproductive benefits.Humans consequently evolved "pro-social" emotions, such as feelings of empathy or guilt, in response to these moral behaviors.

the maternal bond is selected for because it improves the survival of offspring;

Biologists contend that all social animals, from ants to elephants, have modified their behaviors, by restraining selfishness in order to make group living worthwhile.(这个"值的"并不是我们所说的生活的有意义,而是动物的物种生存和延续问题)
个人偏重的是以上的这些观点.这里又涉及到一个"获得性遗传"的问题. 一些能使物种更好的生存下去的,刚开始是无意识的社会行为,年长日久,是可以变成某一物种的生物GENE信息而一代代遗传下去的.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
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  • 枫下家园 / 人到中年 / 问个简单的问题:什么是一个社会的FUNDAMENTAL VALUE? 同情心,宽容心,算不算一个呢?
    • 真,善,忍?。。。
      • WIKI: Psychological perspectives
        本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛See also: Kohlberg's stages of moral development and Jean Piaget#Education and development of morality
        In modern moral psychology, morality is considered to change through personal development. A number of psychologists have produced theories on the development of morals, usually going through stages of different morals. Lawrence Kohlberg, Jean Piaget, and Elliot Turiel have cognitive-developmental approaches to moral development; to these theorists morality forms in a series of constructive stages or domains. Social psychologists such as Martin Hoffman and Jonathan Haidt emphasize social and emotional development based on biology, such as empathy. Moral identity theorists, such as William Damon and Mordechai Nisan, see moral commitment as arising from the development of a self-identity that is defined by moral purposes: this moral self-identity leads to a sense of responsibility to pursue such purposes. Of historical interest in psychology are the theories of psychoanalysts such as Sigmund Freud, who believe that moral development is the product of aspects of the super-ego as guilt-shame avoidance.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • 不算. 那是无形的"水". 需要建立提坝来疏导.人类的FUNDAMENTAL VALUE是以物种生存延续的需要为基础逐渐形成的.
      • WIKI: Evolutionary perspectives... See also: Evolution of morality, Altruism, Evolutionary ethics
        本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛The development of modern morality is a process closely tied to the Sociocultural evolution of different peoples of humanity. Some evolutionary biologists, particularly sociobiologists, believe that morality is a product of evolutionary forces acting at an individual level and also at the group level through group selection (though to what degree this actually occurs is a controversial topic in evolutionary theory). Some sociobiologists contend that the set of behaviors that constitute morality evolved largely because they provided possible survival and/or reproductive benefits (i.e. increased evolutionary success). Humans consequently evolved "pro-social" emotions, such as feelings of empathy or guilt, in response to these moral behaviors.
        In this respect, morality is not absolute, but relative and constitutes any set of behaviors that encourage human cooperation based on their ideology to get ideologic unity. Biologists contend that all social animals, from ants to elephants, have modified their behaviors, by restraining selfishness in order to make group living worthwhile. Human morality, though sophisticated and complex relative to other animals, is essentially a natural phenomenon that evolved to restrict excessive individualism and foster human cooperation.[13] On this view, moral codes are ultimately founded on emotional instincts and intuitions that were selected for in the past because they aided survival and reproduction (inclusive fitness). Examples: the maternal bond is selected for because it improves the survival of offspring; the Westermarck effect, where close proximity during early years reduces mutual sexual attraction, underpins taboos against incest because it decreases the likelihood of genetically risky behaviour such as inbreeding.
        The phenomenon of 'reciprocity' in nature is seen by evolutionary biologists as one way to begin to understand human morality. Its function is typically to ensure a reliable supply of essential resources, especially for animals living in a habitat where food quantity or quality fluctuates unpredictably. For example, some vampire bats fail to feed on prey some nights while others manage to consume a surplus. Bats that did eat will then regurgitate part of their blood meal to save a conspecific from starvation. Since these animals live in close-knit groups over many years, an individual can count on other group members to return the favor on nights when it goes hungry (Wilkinson, 1984) Marc Bekoff and Jessica Pierce (2009) have argued that morality is a suite of behavioral capacities likely shared by all mammals living in complex social groups (e.g., wolves, coyotes, elephants, dolphins, rats, chimpanzees). They define morality as "a suite of interrelated other-regarding behaviors that cultivate and regulate complex interactions within social groups." This suite of behaviors includes empathy, reciprocity, altruism, cooperation, and a sense of fairness.[14] In related work, it has been convincingly demonstrated that chimpanzees show empathy for each other in a wide variety of contexts.[15] They also possess the ability to engage in deception, and a level of social 'politics'[16] prototypical of our own tendencies for gossip and reputation management.
        Christopher Boehm (1982) has hypothesized that the incremental development of moral complexity throughout hominid evolution was due to the increasing need to avoid disputes and injuries in moving to open savanna and developing stone weapons. Other theories are that increasing complexity was simply a correlate of increasing group size and brain size, and in particular the development of theory of mind abilities. Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion suggested that our morality is a result of our biological evolutionary history and that the Moral Zeitgeist helps describe how morality evolves from biological and cultural origins and evolves with time within a culture.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
        • 一篇客观的文章,列举几个不同的观点和理论,但并没下结论,做判断.
          本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Some evolutionary biologists, particularly sociobiologists, believe that morality is a product of evolutionary forces acting at an individual level and also at the group level through group selection .
          个人不偏重这个观点.

          Some sociobiologists contend that the set of behaviors that constitute morality evolved largely because they provided possible survival and/or reproductive benefits.Humans consequently evolved "pro-social" emotions, such as feelings of empathy or guilt, in response to these moral behaviors.

          the maternal bond is selected for because it improves the survival of offspring;

          Biologists contend that all social animals, from ants to elephants, have modified their behaviors, by restraining selfishness in order to make group living worthwhile.(这个"值的"并不是我们所说的生活的有意义,而是动物的物种生存和延续问题)
          个人偏重的是以上的这些观点.这里又涉及到一个"获得性遗传"的问题. 一些能使物种更好的生存下去的,刚开始是无意识的社会行为,年长日久,是可以变成某一物种的生物GENE信息而一代代遗传下去的.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
      • FUNDAMENTAL VALUE就是疏导水的提坝.
    • 生存权
    • 公平 ,正义
    • 人生而平等。众生平等。 亿万富翁、国家首领、和穷人、老百姓在公共场合买东西,相同待遇。
    • 社会的FUNDAMENTAL VALUE应该还是人人平等吧,同情心,宽容心是人的value
      • 你很有思想啊。从社会角度来看,追求公正公义和现实的丛林法则并不矛盾。只要人人都有成为肉食者的可能,这个社会就是公平的。从个人角度来看,选择善恶,是个人的自由。但不能超乎标准。这个标准和社会制度很有关系。
        但是作为跨制度的移民,个人信念不应该变得太快,否则就是一个没有立场,首鼠两端的人。
    • 自由,平等,博爱
    • 相互的包容和尊重~~~~~~~~~
    • 这篇文章基本上可以回答你的问题
    • 这个社会的FUNDAMENTAL VALUE就是尊重(保护)个人隐私!!!映射到物质就是私有财产。人到中年,扯扯淡,解解闷,多有劲! 要不大家一起来读读宪法,补补课? 嘿嘿。。。
      “同情心,宽容心”凡是动物就有的一种情感,同社会无干!

      胡扯八道!!!
    • 同情是一种本能,宽容是一种无奈。
    • 仁, 爱, 忠, 恕 - 东亚文化圈的基fundamental value
      • "东亚" ?
        • 鬼子来了?
          • 我个人脚得 "仁, 爱, 忠, 恕 " 没有一本书比<新约>体现更好。当然很多人有不同意见。
    • 这个value system, 也就是一般人眼里的对和错,肯定和人类的生存状态有关,也就是和时代,地域,文化相关。但一些基本的东西应该是不大会变的。而这些基本的value,应该 能在长远上保证人类的繁衍生存。但这些value在东西方,古代现代的交集是什么呢?
      真,善,我都同意。这个忍嘛,我看未必。

      至于个人财产神圣不可侵犯,应该不是universal的value..

      自由,平等,博爱,我赞成。但是不是太现代了呢?

      公平,正义,沾边,但不同的阶层有各自的理解,很主观的。

      人生而平等。众生平等, 不错。希望这事早晚能实现。

      仁,好! 爱,好! 古今同。忠,很传统的value,现在这世界对谁忠? 恕,应当的,但有人反对。
      • 社会的价值根本是保证社会发展效率,实现手段是公平和义务的平衡。其它都是表象和特性。包括以人为本、和谐社会之类的都是理想化的,不完全符合社会发展的规律。
      • "忠,很传统的value,现在这世界对谁忠?"-- 如果把"忠"仅理解为 Royal, 有点太狭义了。"忠"也可以是 Faithful 或 Consistent, 这样便无失现代性。
        • “忠”就是要忠于自己心中的那尊佛---人类道德!不要用自己的照“猫”镜去照别人就是“宽容”!有道是“四十而不惑”,人到中年不去找乐子,浪费心思想这些。不如将这心思用在打工上。多交税,多体现社会价值!哈哈。。。
          这就叫“人性与宽容”!
    • 通俗的理解, 就是互相帮助,一致对外。
    • 觉得马路上没有讨钱的小朋友是基本。各个时代,小朋友被国家保养的社会都有无比的竞争力和凝聚力。
      • 老吾老及人之老 幼吾幼及人之幼 这样的话就不会有毒牛奶 塑化剂 ......
        • 老吾老其实没什么,从小就灌输除了大巫师,其他没用的老头自行去森林解决也没多大关系。祖国灌养花朵是关键。