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seaecho(flower)

The border officer was super nice. He was willing to give the TN to me without TN letter as long as the employer is willing to send him anything in writing to specify how long the employment will be. I''m going to tell the employer I don't want the offer anymore. It's not worth the time and efforts.

I'm not in IT which is the easy field to locate jobs. But I do realize it's a waste of time to educate employers like this. As government agencies they don't mind spending taxpayers' money to go through the hiring process again instead of being a tiny bit flexible. They do not seem to understand: stating in the offer letter that the employment will be up to three years does not prohibit either party from terminating the employment relationship anytime at will. I've learned to avoid all the government employers at any cost.

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枫下茶话 / 美国话题 / 有人没有TN letter拿到TN的吗?雇主死活不出，说HR的政策没有咨询律师出tn letter的政策。 -seaecho(flower); 2013-4-23 {55} (#8166855@0)
雇主死活不出，说HR的政策没有咨询律师出tn letter的政策。

你要自己写,让他们签个字 -jiaqitang(有赌未必输); 2013-4-24 (#8167654@0)

I wrote it. But they said they are not going to sign. -seaecho(flower); 2013-4-24 {304} (#8167824@0)
As a government agency, they do not want to assume any legal responsibility without checking it out with a lawyer first. And HR policy forbids this lawyer service. They are really firm on this. Otherwise I would lose the offer. I just want to know who ever got TN with the offer letter, but no TN letter.

TN LETTER 并不重要. 如果你的OFFER 上写明了它是最多三年期限,哪一个CATEGORY 的JOB, 那可以不用TN LETTER. -jiaqitang(有赌未必输); 2013-4-24 (#8168031@0)

Sadly the offer is standard. -seaecho(flower); 2013-4-24 {269} (#8168898@0)
No TN category. Only starting date without specifying how long the employment will be. It's a full time permanent position. To avoid possible lawsuits all the government standard offers do not specify the employment period. I will have to go try my luck at the border.

去吧，回来更新一下。不过我要是你，这个OFFER 我就不要了 -jiaqitang(有赌未必输); 2013-4-24 (#8169668@0)

Didn't work out. -seaecho(flower); 2013-4-26 {841} (#8171813@0)
The border officer was super nice. He was willing to give the TN to me without TN letter as long as the employer is willing to send him anything in writing to specify how long the employment will be. I''m going to tell the employer I don't want the offer anymore. It's not worth the time and efforts.

I'm not in IT which is the easy field to locate jobs. But I do realize it's a waste of time to educate employers like this. As government agencies they don't mind spending taxpayers' money to go through the hiring process again instead of being a tiny bit flexible. They do not seem to understand: stating in the offer letter that the employment will be up to three years does not prohibit either party from terminating the employment relationship anytime at will. I've learned to avoid all the government employers at any cost.

ur writing in english is excellent -peteryu(雾水); 2013-4-26 (#8171820@0)

Thank you thank you. You make me feel better.. -seaecho(flower); 2013-4-26 (#8172161@0)

这个官员非常专业和nice。TN必须是职业列表上的工作，写明工作是临时的和不超过三年的起止时间（你的permanent和没有起止时间就犯大忌了），写清楚工资（年薪和折合小时工资多少都得有）和工作职责。把这次情况和HR反映一下，还是不愿意就放弃吧，这种公司去了也会很累的。 -xuzhd(@Piggy@); 2013-4-26 (#8172068@0)

My job title falls under one category of TN profession list. -seaecho(flower); 2013-4-26 {714} (#8172218@0)
TN officer had no problem with the job profession. All he wanted was the specification of the employment time period. There is also a starting date on the standard offer. The officer wanted either an ending date, or an indication in writing that "we need this employee for up to 1, 2 or 3 years". That's the only thing that's missing and HR is not willing to provide that.

The officer's willingness to cooperate and the HR's stupidity are both beyond my expectation. I was in fear of the possibility of being grilled at the border. He didn't care if I had TN letter. He focused on the essence of the required information and told me he can't give me TN due to the lack of that one piece of information.
如果是公司就好了 -seaecho(flower); 2013-4-26 {323} (#8172480@0)
是古板的政府机构。他们offer是标准的给美国人自己的offer,上面注明任何口头或书面的statement都不能被用来确定雇佣时间。跟我是tn无关。因为同期开始工作的不止我一个。其他人都是美国本地人。hr自己都承认"this is a learning process for me"因为他们开始连tn是怎么回事都不知道。你说得对，去了也麻烦。因为以后如果还要续签这还会是个问题。

其实根本不值得去尝试. 只有很小的希望,但有一次拒签,以后再签,也会申的很严 -jiaqitang(有赌未必输); 2013-4-26 (#8172199@0)

There are people who got TN without the offer indicating the employment period before. -seaecho(flower); 2013-4-26 {335} (#8172269@0)
TN officer told me he will not accept my application based on insufficient information provided. He read the notes out to me while typing comments on his computer. He told me I deserve a better employer and I should go back to him for TN again once I find a new employer. LOL when I get a new job in the future I will still go for him.

Other than the standard offer letter, the HR actually did give me something extra -seaecho(flower); 2013-4-26 {262} (#8172423@0)
: a detailed job description in their letter head. The standard offer letter doesn't use the word "permanent". Otherwise I wouldn't even go to try because TN has to be temporary. But in Canadian term the job is "permanent" because it's not a contract job.

我也有同样的问题，有的HR非常死板，很好的一个工作机会丢失了，请问大家怎么处理这个问题？ -chinafire(Chinadream); 2013-4-25 (#8171167@0)

如果公司真想要你,HR的政策自然是可以变通的 -athenapan(purplish); 2013-4-26 (#8171844@0)

是的，不过因为公司一般对于TN都不是很了解，增加了招聘的难度。不知道大家如何在面试的时候和公司说这个问题。 -chinafire(Chinadream); 2013-4-26 (#8172383@0)

@Calgary

Didn't work out.

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