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枫下家园 / 望子成龙 / 关于孩子学钢琴的一些困惑, 欢迎讨论小女明年就4岁了,准备学钢琴了,但我心中一直有一些疑问,想在此向各位有经验的家长请教。
先说说我对女儿学钢琴的期望吧:不必考级,只希望她能够享受音乐,将来听到她喜欢的曲子,能够自己在钢琴上弹出来。
基于以上期望,我是不是只要送她去类似YAMAHA MUSIC这种GROUP的学校学学即可?买个便宜点的电子钢琴也行?
-huanghuadoudou(花兜兜);
2008-11-3
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"YAMAHA MUSIC" -- 去, 我女儿四岁去的是NORTH YORK的那一家.
-nicetomeetyou((_-~));
2008-11-3
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请问你女儿在那里学了多久?感觉怎样?
-huanghuadoudou(花兜兜);
2008-11-4
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母,女.老师,其他小孩子在一起音乐互动, 非常好.
-nicetomeetyou((_-~));
2008-11-4
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在类似YAMAHA MUSIC这种学校, You can have fun there, but you realy can not learn much there. 学了几年也只能弹非常简单的曲子。If you want your kid just have fun, go there. otherwise, find a professional teacher and go private lesson.
-fromfaraway(远行者);
2008-11-4
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谢谢啦,我想让她just has some fun.
-huanghuadoudou(花兜兜);
2008-11-4
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Then go to 类似YAMAHA MUSIC这种学校.
-fromfaraway(远行者);
2008-11-4
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objective of Learning music is to refine the child, make them appreciate beautiful stuffs. it makes no difference wheather your child learned sophisticated or simple music, as far as he/she got the spirit and enjoy it.
-diy888(DIY888);
2008-11-5
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4-5 岁还是参加这种programe好,6岁以后再跟着老师学。孩子学什么,兴趣最重要,失去了兴趣就失去了一切。
-tianluoguniang(明月人倚楼);
2008-11-4
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我也是这样想的,因为并没有期望她以此为专业,所以觉得让她自己觉得有兴趣最好
-huanghuadoudou(花兜兜);
2008-11-4
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我的意见是,买钢琴一定要买自己能买得起的最好的。我去学钢琴的学校大部分教学用的钢琴都是baby grand。今天去了另外一个学校练琴,进去以后才发现是电子钢琴,弹了一个小时感觉很不一样。电子钢琴的音质,手感和钢琴差别很大。我以前也以为是差不多的。
-ruoer(乡下人);
2008-11-4
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请问什么是baby grand?
-huanghuadoudou(花兜兜);
2008-11-5
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小三角钢琴。
-fromfaraway(远行者);
2008-11-5
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The composer of China anthem don't even have piano, why he can compose so beautiful songs. what music did your son/daughter compose with the "baby grand"? do you know instrument is not so important?
-diy888(DIY888);
2008-11-5
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Composer is not a pianist. Some pianist compose, some don't. I am talking from my own experience, not my son or daughters. There are different level of music appreciation. Human ear is a very fine instrument.The spectrum of sound, and color of sound it can detective is amazing. To fine tune a child or even an adult's ear, I would spoil it with the best quality of music I can afford.
-ruoer(乡下人);
2008-11-5
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you are misleading people, do you mean chopin has a baby grand when he started learn piano? radio/cassete/CD can not be appreciated?common, it is only 2 pieces of metal making a sound. not music, having a baby piano only mean you are rich, does not mean you are a better musision.
-diy888(DIY888);
2008-11-5
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Actually Chopin is one of the few composers who can't compose without a piano in front of him. He was surrounded by good musicians and instrument when he grew up. So is Mozart, and Beethoven, and numerous other composers.I am not talking about composers here any way, we are not even talking about professional musician. As I said, there are different level of music appreciation. We can certainly listen to radio, CD, cassete, or we can attend live concerts. No CD can replace the experience and inspiration from a live concert. But when I am driving, I will listen to CD or radio. We do the best we can, the best we can afford.
-ruoer(乡下人);
2008-11-5
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you are rich, do you know how much a baby piano cost? and would you rather listen to a good CD than go to a shabby concert? concert can not replace CD, CD can be sure better than concert.
-diy888(DIY888);
2008-11-5
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我家小子在Oakville的音乐学校,这已经是第三个年头了,so far so good,他自己也很喜欢,听一些跟私人老师学的朋友讲,他们的孩子每天练习的曲目和时间都比我们要多,很庆幸我不用这么逼着他练,孩子高兴,又学到了东西,我也跟着一起上课,有时候自己也弹两首,不过他爸说比儿子弹得差多了。
-sisimiss(冰糖葫芦);
2008-11-4
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请问你儿子练习时间大概多长啊?
-huanghuadoudou(花兜兜);
2008-11-5
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大概每天15-20分钟吧,周末会久一点。
-sisimiss(冰糖葫芦);
2008-11-5
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但跟好的私人老师学的,三年下来,他们的孩子的钢琴程度往往会比音乐学校的学生高一大块,而且大部分孩子也会高兴的学。你把你的孩子和他们的孩子比一比,可能你自己就能看出来了。所以,你是要孩子当时简单的高兴,还是要孩子学到东西最后获得真正的高兴?我同意明月人倚楼的观点:4-5 岁参加这种programe,6岁以后跟着老师学。
-fromfaraway(远行者);
2008-11-5
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是啊,这也是我之所以选音乐学校的原因,我不否认跟私人老师学琴进步快,但这也是有代价的,我不能想象怎么能把我活跃的儿子每天绑在琴凳上练上那么一个小时,而且我本身的出发点就不是培养一个钢琴家,只是要他Have Fun, 那就慢慢来吧,大家都容易些。
-sisimiss(冰糖葫芦);
2008-11-5
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我自己的经验,仅供参考
-shuizhonghua(叮噹);
2008-11-5
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我觉得叮噹讲得有一定道理。我觉得孩子6岁前,可上一些music program,以唱唱跳跳,接触一些简单的乐器,阅理知识为主。6岁后,正式开始学琴,还是一对一的教,好一些。手法一上来就要学对。
-tianluoguniang(明月人倚楼);
2008-11-5
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这个建议很对我胃口,不知道YAMAHA是不是属于这种PROGRAM?其实我女儿之前一直上一个唱歌的课(就是家长带着孩子一起围坐唱儿歌),上了1年多了,觉得挺好的。但现在她的年龄有点偏大了,想换一个PROGRAM。请问明月有没有什么好的推荐?
-huanghuadoudou(花兜兜);
2008-11-5
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手型很重要吗? 西人老师不大强调. 强调手型的道理和意义是什么, 能讲讲吗?
-ohboys(我高兴就哭);
2008-11-5
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是的西人的老师是不要求,我有问过好几个老师,虽然是众说纷云,但主要是如果手型有问题,在以后弹到一定的曲目时,有些技巧没办法表现出来,往上提高会有限制,而且弹琴姿势不对,会容易累。有个老师告诉我不同曲目的手型也会有不同,如果现在用正确的方弹(立住指头弹),以后在需要是改成直着弹容易,但反过来就不简单了。我儿子以前是直着手指弹,一是声音很小,二是手指转换时很慢,确实感觉不好。更严重是小手指的最上面的关节会有些变形,尤其是很小就练琴的。
-shuizhonghua(叮噹);
2008-11-5
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再补充一句,好的钢琴老师,也能让上课很有趣的,组织一些concert,很满足小孩子的表现欲。
-tianluoguniang(明月人倚楼);
2008-11-5
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我现在的问题是:还是比较满意Private teacher的,因为比较好沟通,但如果有一些concert,就更好了,我的小孩子很有表现欲,现在如果能经常让他表演一下,就好了。不知有没有同年龄的家长感兴趣,我们可以组织个concert,时不时的提高一下孩子们的兴趣呀?
-shuizhonghua(叮噹);
2008-11-5
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我家举手参加.
-supermom(super);
2008-11-5
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谢谢。我会跟你联系的。
-shuizhonghua(叮噹);
2008-11-5
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也联系我好么?我儿子6岁,学琴一年。
-dongdongca(DongDong);
2008-11-7
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音乐学校也有私人授课。我是私人授课的,老师有很多学生,每个学期都固定有两次汇报演出,有时候个别老师还会组织她的学生小型concert。你可以跟你孩子的老师建议一下。还有的社区也会有小型的festival可以报名的。
-ruoer(乡下人);
2008-11-5
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Please stop misleading people.
-diy888(DIY888);
2008-11-5
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我从开始就说是,仅供参考。没有想misleading anybody?!
-shuizhonghua(叮噹);
2008-11-5
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Electric keyboard is the BEST for youge kids
-diy888(DIY888);
2008-11-5
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to have fun: get a keyboard.
to be serious about music, as a career: buy a kala OK learn singing.to show you are already middle class and have xiuyang which you are not confident that you have, buy a piano and show it on hall way and tell everybody that you have it.
-diy888(DIY888);
2008-11-5
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谢谢楼上各位,特别是叮噹写了这么多,真的很有启发,我现在有点害怕啦。每天练琴好象不大容易啊。我女儿每天从DAYCARE回到家就快6点了,吃饭,洗澡,看电视,再玩一会儿,(她现在喜欢跳舞,画画,做手工),就该催着上床了。她现在周日上舞蹈课,并没有要求平日练习,我本来以为音乐课也可以这样呢。
-huanghuadoudou(花兜兜);
2008-11-5
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弹琴就是不一样,别的平时不用练,这就是不行。我的同事朋友凡是练琴的家长都有同感。当然也许我的水平有限,如果坛子里有高人可以指点一下如何在家帮助孩子轻松,快乐,持之以恒的练琴,我将不胜感激。
-shuizhonghua(叮噹);
2008-11-5
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是不是学乐器都必须每天练啊?我真的很不想强迫小孩,而且说真的,这么点大的孩子,我还真不知道怎么强迫她做她不愿意做的事情。(现在仅每天晚上让她早点睡觉我就已经一个头两个大啦)
-huanghuadoudou(花兜兜);
2008-11-5
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每天逼四岁的孩子练琴,那是害人害己。所以劝你等等,6-7岁孩子的领悟能力高多了,也坐的住多了时候再学。现在,也就是唱唱歌,跳跳舞,多参加体育活动就行了,每天开开心心最重要。
-tianluoguniang(明月人倚楼);
2008-11-5
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不过说真的,你的孩子那么小,不要太早学了,可以先学学唱歌,韵律什么的,YAMAHA有个program,去网站上看看。但一旦弹上了,不练好像不太可能。但练琴也并不是非常可怕的。我的儿子,我发现是有规律的,当你帮他在一段时间内养成习惯了,他就喜欢去弹,但如果我松懈一下或给他放一段时间的假(暑假),再从新养成习惯就要有一段的时间来调整了。孩子是时好时坏,只是年龄越小,这种反复就会多点(老师说的),等大些就可以自觉的弹了。
这样也好,等你在找老师的时候,可以着重问问看老师在练琴方面有没有好的方法?对吧。
-shuizhonghua(叮噹);
2008-11-5
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我的一些不算经验的经验
-boer_ioi(上班,下班);
2008-11-5
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非常好的经验,所以我自己也觉得老大学的太早了,我的老二决定到6岁再开始学,至少他能懂什么是说话算话。我正在努力帮老大建立好习惯。。。
-shuizhonghua(叮噹);
2008-11-5
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谢谢分享。唉,我们都踏上了一条不归路。不练是不可能的。孩子能坚持下来,真有毅力。希望钢琴能让孩子受益终生,父母的付出也没有白费。我觉得不当专业,孩子考过8级,就够了。
-tianluoguniang(明月人倚楼);
2008-11-5
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谢谢分享,不过看了你的经验,更增加了我的困惑啦。学到最后的结果是孩子多次表示不喜欢,那不是完全违反了我的初衷了么?也许你会说,你的目的就是教育孩子说话算数,坚持不懈,可是那也可以有别的办法啊,何必要搞得孩子对美好的事物失去兴趣呢?
-huanghuadoudou(花兜兜);
2008-11-5
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大的孩子能够理解快乐来自痛苦的练习。
-tianluoguniang(明月人倚楼);
2008-11-5
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其实我女儿现在都知道要表现好(跳舞),就要在家练习。不过这么小的孩子,一会儿一个主意,天天练习是肯定不能保证的啦。(不过她现在跳舞倒确实是自己天天练习的)。
-huanghuadoudou(花兜兜);
2008-11-5
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钢琴,我认为没有会的时候是不会有多大的兴趣的(当别人问你对钢琴有兴趣吗,你会说没有,因为根本不会,当然体会不到它的乐趣),当他开始懂了,兴趣也就慢慢的培养起来了。所以小孩不可能会一开始就表现的非常有兴趣。
-shuizhonghua(叮噹);
2008-11-5
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it should be:
an intelligent kid know what is useful what is not, piano is useless, if you want to enjoy music buy a CD and MP3. I believe that no mater how much you exercise, how good is your piano, you can not beat a good CD.
-diy888(DIY888);
2008-11-5
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那只是其中的过程,我小时有同样的经历,(体育方面),虽然练的时候哭过很多,但长大后非常感激我的妈妈一直陪我练了7年。当你真正得到了,那种成就感是不一样的。
-shuizhonghua(叮噹);
2008-11-5
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要吃苦的事,大人都不喜欢,何况是小孩子。如果是所有不喜欢的事情都可以不做,那剩下的事情也就不多了。中国不知道多少小孩子都不喜欢上学呢。喜欢每天早起,赶着去上班的大人也不多。
-ruoer(乡下人);
2008-11-5
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我同意。
-shuizhonghua(叮噹);
2008-11-5
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of cause you don't need to know how to play piano??? of cause you can choose not to do it without dying. What is your good reason forcing a child to play piano?
-diy888(DIY888);
2008-11-5
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这全是个人的选择,每个人都有资格选择。我想大多数父母都没有希望孩子成为专业钢琴家,也都希望孩子有一天能enjoy自己在音乐上的成就带来的乐趣。这里聚着一推琴童的父母,那里可能聚这一堆hockey父母。。。学什么,都是为了孩子有一个更美好的人生吗。
-tianluoguniang(明月人倚楼);
2008-11-5
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it is your choice, not your kid's. if you like it play it yourself, if kid like it he/she will ask for it. PLAYING PIANO IS USELESS and UNNECESSORY. Enjoying music is very useful, but CD and Singing are far more effectivethan Playing Piano everyday repeating same piece againand again
-diy888(DIY888);
2008-11-5
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我不打算和你辩论,每个人都要选择生活的权利。你这么不喜欢钢琴,何必参加这里的讨论,为什么不找一些更有意义的事情去做呢?!
-tianluoguniang(明月人倚楼);
2008-11-5
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I love piano and music(This is real love, I believe I have more say than most of the people, I wouldn't tell you what do I do for a living), but don't like to play, I am very concerned about children health, lets stop abusing children,it is easy to get a CD and no matter how much excercise you can not beat CD. Why would you want to force a kid to play piano.
-diy888(DIY888);
2008-11-5
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没有可比性。生存必需的技能和锦上添花的爱好,怎么比?如果这个锦上添花的爱好是逼出来的,这个爱好会象焰火一样,生命力短暂。
-yusheng(拜月);
2008-11-5
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I can not help to ask.
-diy888(DIY888);
2008-11-5
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8级了还不能体会音乐的快乐吗?
-anan2007(Green);
2008-11-5
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playing instrument is very tidious, not a fun thing to do, don't like piano == can't enjoy music???? Give me break!!!! piano is only a few metal making some loud sound.Why don't just sing and dance, or listen to CD???? What is people's objective of learning piano??
-diy888(DIY888);
2008-11-5
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回答一下
-boer_ioi(上班,下班);
2008-11-5
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举手赞成。
-shuizhonghua(叮噹);
2008-11-6
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我从一个学琴人的角度谈谈看法吧。这么多家长在这里的话,一下使我想起了我小时候的经历。你们的做法这么熟悉,那是我妈妈每天强调无数遍,强迫我无数遍,到现在记忆尤新的。
-yusheng(拜月);
2008-11-5
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把孩子逼到这个份上,做父母的太失败了。
-tianluoguniang(明月人倚楼);
2008-11-5
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Thank you for the valueble inputs, I am so concerned about children's health. every parents, stop forcing childs to play. Don't abuse the kid, playing piano is not a so glorious thing to pusue.there are more and more glorious things to pursue. music is good but music =\= piano.
-diy888(DIY888);
2008-11-5
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凡事都有个度,当把孩子逼到拜月这份上,这个钢琴学的的确没有意义。但并不能证明鼓励孩子学好一件东西是错的。很多从小打hockey的孩子,打hockey有什么意义啊,父母也逼的紧啊。。。很多孩子到后来不也是enjoy吗?其实,孩子的每一个成就,后面有多少父母的心血啊。
-tianluoguniang(明月人倚楼);
2008-11-5
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hocky is westerner's "piano", both are useless.........you got it. we should encourage kids to learn things that is really useful, speaking to crowd, safety, in my opinion, even game is better than piano. outside activity is always good
-diy888(DIY888);
2008-11-5
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其实就是不让孩子每天沉浸于看电视,玩电脑,多学一点体育,乐器,学点什么都好。钢琴不过是其中一种,但不是唯一的一种。你不用太紧张了,这个年头,那么死逼孩子的人还是少数。在我个人看来,体育项目比piano重要。
-tianluoguniang(明月人倚楼);
2008-11-5
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多少父母的心血??I don't see many 多少父母的心血 in many successful people, and many happy ordinory people. but I see a lot of 父母的心血 in many little chineses piano's slave.
-diy888(DIY888);
2008-11-5
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(#4819871@0)
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讲讲吧,你的父母做了些什么,让钢琴对你的伤害这么深?
-tianluoguniang(明月人倚楼);
2008-11-5
(#4819878@0)
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没想到引来了这么热烈的讨论,搞得俺比以前更困惑了。不管怎样,周末决定先去YAMAHA试听一节课再说了。
-huanghuadoudou(花兜兜);
2008-11-5
(#4820308@0)
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我有一个朋友也学琴人。小时候被父母逼着练琴,现在也没成为音乐家。可是,她常常对我说,她非常感激自己的父母,他们给生活带来了音乐的乐趣,还有持之以恒做一件事情的毅力。所以她强烈支持孩子学琴。我觉得她的例子有一定借鉴意义。
-wajjl(wajjl);
2008-11-5
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